Which cryptocurrency index fund token is better? STA has first mover advantage, but STONK improved STA's code based on the audit results and has more profitable coins in its balancer pool. I'm thinking this may end up turning into a Bitcoin vs. Litecoin situation, with STONK having more violent moons, especially now since it is newer, though they are both very new. Thoughts? submitted by
What is EPIC CASH? submitted by
Epic Cash is the final point in the journey toward true P2P internet cash, the cornerstone of a private financial system. The Epic currency aims to become the world’s most effective privacy-protecting form of digital money. In order to fulfill that goal, it satisfies the three principal functions of money: 1. Store of Value
— can be saved, retrieved, and exchanged at a later time, and of predictable value when retrieved; 2. Medium of Exchange
— anything accepted as representing a standard of value and exchangeable for goods or services; 3. Unit of Account
— the unit by which the value of a thing is accounted for and compared.
Epic Cash Community: https://t.me/EpicCash
Miner Chat: https://t.me/EpicMiners
Gitlab: gitlab.com/epiccash Twitter: twitter.com/EpicCashTech Social Media: http://epic.tech/social-media
Exchanges: https://epic.tech/service-list Oleg✌🏻 Hello community! Our AMA with EPIC begins
🚀 We are very happy to have you here, on our joint AMA👌 So, lets start! The very first question for you. Can you introduce yourself? Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
I’m Max Freeman, which stands for “Maximum Freedom for Mankind” — we believe that the existing fiat money system enslaves people by unfairly confiscating their wealth through inflation. By using an honest money system such as Epic, we can improve the quality of life for billions of people worldwide. Yoga Dude
Hello, I am Yoga Dude 🙂 I handle Marketing and PR, in crypto since 2011 started as Bitcoin miner, and in 2014 in Monero, and in 2015 in Ethereum, oh and briefly in DOGE for fun and unexpected profit. Heard about Epic Cash while learning about the Mimblewimble algo and joined the team last year. JLong
I am John, Doing the general engineering and managerial work Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
I have been involved in early stage cryptos for the past 3 years, after building a global trading business for the past 20 years. Oleg✌🏻
nice to meet you🙂 Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
Epic is a decentralized community project like Bitcoin or Monero, there is no central authority or corporation involved. We had no ICO and no premine, we had a fair launch at 0 supply last September. Yoga Dude
Great to meet everyone :) Oleg✌🏻
Here we go the 1st question for you ~ 1. What is Epic Cash about? Yoga Dude
Epic Cash is designed to fulfill Satoshi’s original vision of P2P electronic cash, adjusting for what we learned from Bitcoin, a medium of exchange that is fast, free, open to all, while being private and fungible. We launched in September 2019 as a Proof of Work mineable crypto, without an ICO or a premine. Oleg✌🏻
Look like a real Bitcoin🙂 Yoga Dude
with privacy and fungibility 😄 Oleg✌🏻
Sounds cool! move on to the next question… 2. What makes Epic Cash better than Monero or other privacy coins? Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
First off, we have a lot of respect for Monero and other privacy coins, we learned a lot from what they did right and what they did wrong, Our blockchain is much lighter than Monero or Bitcoin, our transaction engine is faster than Monero or ZCash. We use a three mining algo approach to allow more users the ability to obtain Epic Cash. We are a new, highly undervalued, coin and we look great not only for future use but for today's investment. Our blockchain is 90+% smaller than Monero or Bitcoin. Coins such as Zcash have optional privacy. Epic makes all transactions private, and it is impossible to trace movements of coins by watching wallet addresses. Oleg✌🏻
Young and hot😋 security and privacy level is very important now but… 3. Why copy the same supply economics as Bitcoin? Yoga Dude
It is hard to compete with the success of Bitcoin today, part of the elegance and the appeal of Bitcoin is the responsible emission rate, terminating at 21million highly sub dividable coins. Like the Bitcoin supply curve, Epic Cash encourages early adopters, and with subsequent halvenings maintains a gradually diminishing flow of additional currency while preserving the overall value. Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
In 2028, the supply of Epic matches that of Bitcoin and they stay in sync until the final coin is mined in 2140. We have 4 halvenings between now and then, which is demonstrated in Bitcoin to drive the value over market cycles. Epic is a chance for people who were late to Bitcoin to ride the wave and not miss their opportunity this time. Oleg✌🏻
Interesting! 4. Why Choose Epic Cash over Grin and Beam? Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
First of all, we have tremendous respect for all Mimblewimble currencies and their talented teams, they all taught us a lot and we are thankful for that. Without sounding too contentious, the choice seems obvious. We offer the same core tech, but with a much more responsible emission curve — Grin is an endless fountain of emission and inflation (60 per second forever), and Beam is even more frontloaded outpacing even Grin’s aggressive emission schedule for the next several years… We respect Grin and Beam, we learned from them, and we believe we are the next evolutionary step. Additionally, as we mentioned earlier, we offer more ways to mine Epic Cash, both with GPU and CPU and ASICs, this gives us more potential users and miners, vs Grin and Beam that are only mineable with GPUs. Yoga Dude
Yes, all that ☝️😄 Oleg✌🏻
I hope the miners read it all carefully 👌 Next question 5. Why have a development fund tax and what will it be used for? Yoga Dude
Dev fund tax today is at a reasonable 7.77% dropping by 1.11% every year until it hits zero. As Epic Cash grows in value these funds will become increasingly more relevant in additional technical, marketing, and fintech partnerships developments. Oleg✌🏻
Very smart! 6. What is the advantage of 3 mining algorithms? Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
By having multiple mining algorithms we are able to attract CPU, GPU, and ASIC miners simultaneously. Currently all other Mimblewimble currencies are mineable with GPU only ignoring a large segment of CPU miners. Monero made a splash migrating to the RandomX CPU mining algo. Epic Cash from the beginning embraces all mining communities. Many miners are successfully using older hardware such as Xeon processors to help secure the network. We use RandomX for CPU, ProgPow for GPU, and Cuckoo for ASIC.
Longer term, our flexible architecture means we can have many algorithms, not just 3. Our roadmap includes an allocation for SHA3 Keccak, which will help further decentralize the network and keep it unstoppable. Yoga Dude
We love miners 🙂 and Epic Cash can be mined with laptops and gaming rigs 🙂 Oleg✌🏻
A wide selection of mining methods is a great way to create a stable, decentralized and large network👌 Let’s talk about persons… 7. Who are the people developing Epic Cash? Yoga Dude
We are blessed with a very talented team of skilled developers with diverse backgrounds, many of them are volunteers who believe in what Epic Cash stands for and contribute with product and usability innovation. Our teams main focus is to make Epic Cash the best, most secure, most user friendly and usable product on the market, without making it unnecessarily techie, with as much mainstream user appeal as possible. This is a serious challenge but we are up for it 😄 Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
It is also important to note that we are a truly open ecosystem that anyone can participate in. Our community has developed wallets, mining pools, educational content, and much else besides. We are not limited by the funding generated during an ICO or VC investment, our users are an essential element of our team. Oleg✌🏻
Sounds very attractive. 8. What do you think is currently lack in today’s crypto? Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
We believe there is not enough privacy, anonymity and fungibility, although there is a growing awareness in the community as to why these are necessary. People are waking up to the fact that privacy is a right for everyone but today it is being exploited and violated by corporations, governments and unscrupulous individuals. Privacy does not mean that you have something to hide. We have doors on our houses, curtains on our windows, we wear clothes, and we have security on our bank accounts and businesses, not because we are criminals.
Fungibility (the property of not being able to distinguish one unit of currency from another) also has become a hot issue as people have started to get in trouble because of someone else’s misdeeds. Tainted money (coins that are blacklisted or restricted) is a problem for Bitcoin and Ethereum, the top two cryptos today. Mimblewimble eliminates the risk of tainted coins making them indistinguishable from each other. With traceable coins, you always have to worry if the coins you are getting were involved in a hack, or perhaps the darknet. Oleg✌🏻
It’s good to see strong and safe coin in our time Let’s talk about your future… 9. What does the Epic Cash roadmap look like going forward? Yoga Dude
First and foremost, we are focused on security and usability.
We are working on a new, improved GUI wallet to incorporate the community feedback on ways to improve it.
We are in the process of completing final testing phases for the next iteration of Epic Cash which will make it more secure and stable. Once that is done, we will be rolling out Android and iOS support to make Epic Cash usable on leading smartphones and smartwatches. Beyond that without going into too much detail we are focused on continuous evolution of privacy, ease of mining, and overall speed and usability.
And of course we are constantly looking to add more exchanges both with and without KYC. Oleg✌🏻
Are you working on Android and IOS wallet ? What will your application be? Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
Yes, we will release a mobile wallet this year. It will bring us one step closer to people being able to actually use cryptocurrency as money in daily life. Yoga Dude
The idea is to be able to access Epic Cash from any platform and device Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
Epic is very lightweight, which means that low-end devices such as smartwatches can participate. Oleg✌🏻
Ok, got it. Thanks for clarification! 10. What else can you tell us about Epic Cash? Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
Well one thing I really want to mention is our great Epic Cash community. We’ve been building a decentralized community organically, without the talk of price pumps, pressure to HODL and other BS crypto-gimmicks. Our community is truly global and consists of developers, volunteers, miners, and other Epic enthusiasts spreading the word about Epic Cash, helping us reach millions of people around the world to improve their quality of life through social media and directly. Everyone is an evangelist, everyone is an influencer, everyone has the power to make the world a better place to live in. As we continue to grow — the future looks Epic 😊 Yoga Dude
Definitely the community! We got a talented crowd of very cool and motivated people from all over the world! Oleg✌🏻
Thank you guys, for such informative answers 🙂 Now we proceed to Section 3, where a Community can ask their questions to the EPIC team Now I’ll open chat for the quite some time … Oleg✌🏻
Thank you all, dear community! EPIC team, please choose the 10 best questions you want to answer. AngeI
Everyone likes Privacy & Epic Cash provides their Best Privacy to users But, Which Technologies are being used by Epic Cash to make Blockchain very Private and Completely untrackable ? Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
From the wallet to the node, Epic uses Dandelion++ to bounce transactions around the world before they go into the mempool for mining. Within the blockchain itself, Cut-Through merges all transactions in a block together, with CoinJoin automatically mixing all coins.
Beyond that, there are no addresses, so it’s impossible to watch someone’s wallet. Arnold
Even litecoin is implementing mimblewimble, Don’t you think it’s a significant threat for Epic if they implement it, then why would anyone use a less popular and a new cryptocurrency. Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
LTC is implementing mw as an “extension block”, meaning that it is optional and not all transactions will use it. This is very different than the core protocol leveraging mw to make all transactions private and all coins fungible. Aluta
Why Epic cash so much focus on fungibility? Does fungibility matters that much? Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
Fungibility is going to be one of the key issues within the cryptocurrency space in the coming years. Today, if you accept traceable coins from a seller, you are liable if they have ever been used in any illegal activity. This has led to a two tier market where freshly minted coins sell for more than circulated coins. When coins are fungible, like Epic, you don’t have to worry that you will run into a problem when an exchange or merchant blocks your transaction. Joxes
It is a pleasure.
When I first researched EpicCash, google showed me a youtube video that talked about how to mine with EpicCash. It made me ask: is this mining activity profitable so far?
We are in the early stages of development I guess, what adoption strategies are you taking to have sustained growth? is it feasible to reach N ° 500 rank in coinmarketcap in the medium term? Yoga Dude
When I got into crypto, it was by mining Bitcoin back in 2011 when you could still solve blocks on a single computer, but Bitcoin at the time was anything but profitable 😄 Today Epic Cash is still new, still young, and still undervalued. I believe it is mining-worthy because of its potential, not because of today’s price. By allowing Epic Cash to be mined with GPU and CPU on gaming rigs, servers, and even laptops we offer maximum public participation in our project. More people involved in the project, the more evangelists there are. We empower people to mine Epic Cash and to promote it. S.P.A.D.E
What new features of Epic Cash provide that Grin or Beam does not offer. Why do we need Epic Cash? Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
They are great coins, but there are some ways in which Epic improves. Epic has better tokenomics than Grin and a more sustainable model than Beam, that has a company behind it that needs to repay investors via its high dev tax. this article explains in more detail https://medium.com/@frodofreeman/overview-of-mimblewimble-cryptocurrencies-7c70be146f50 Sahil
What’s the Minimum Hardware / setup Required for Mining of EPIC Cash coins? Is Mining Profitable and Can we Mine EPIC Cash coins at Home? Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
It is possible to mine on an ordinary laptop or desktop from the last 5 years, sometimes older. Epic is open to everyone, and our friendly community is standing by to help you get started at t.me/epicminers Erven James Sato
“TOKEN BURN” is BENEFECIAL for any projects, in able to CONTROL THE NUMBER OF TOKEN CIRCULATION and TO PROVIDE GREATER INCENTIVES TO INVESTORS.
Does your GREAT PROJECT have plan about TOKEN BURN? Xenolink
For deflating projects It is beneficial to drive the demand / scarcity / and price up in a faster pace. Epic Cash is here for the organic long run not the short run. However when it comes to long term economics elastic supplies whether inflating or deflating will not be a solid long term economic model. This has been heavily discussed already with Bitcoins inelastic Fixed 21 million supply in the past. Having a fixed model demonstrates good long term economics without worrying about balancing a deflating/inflating model. Bitcoin is a perfect example of a 21 million inelastic fixed supply model that has been proving itself till today. Which is why we are also using the same fixed 21 million supply model. Epic Cash plans to have a solid organic long term future to bring free private fungible money and make this world a better place. Red Z🔥🤙
No one predicted the COVID-19 pandemic while developing their business model. But the crisis and recession of the global economy is our present with you and it affects all sectors, including blockchain. Will you make or have already made changes to the project roadmap, tokenomics? Do you have a plan in case the situation does not improve in the coming months and will affect the crypto industry even more? Yoga Dude
One thing we have seen as the result of the COVID-19 is more governments are talking about moving to digital cash — digital dollar in USA, digital Lira in Turkey, etc… If in the past the idea of digital money was not graspable by some people, today its the governments that are educating the people for us about the value of digital currency… What is ironic, the governments, by printing money to solve the economic consequences of COVID-19 also educating the consumer about the true “value” of fiat… What we offer is a touch free, borderless, private, anonymous, fungible currency that can not be printed beyond the initial defined algo. We are more responsible than the printing presses of the governments 🤔 kunlefighter
How does the Dandelion++ Protocol, Confidential Transactions (CT) and CoinJoin assist in protecting the privacy of individuals and their transactions on Epic Cash Blockchain? Max Freeman | Epic Cash | Mimblewimble
Dandelion++ bounces transactions around before committing them to the blockchain, making it impossible to determine where they originated from. Confidential Transactions means that all tx are private, you can’t tell anything about where the coins have been or who they belonged to. CoinJoin in essence melts down and re-mints each coin every time it is used, making it impossible to track their ownership or usage history. Epic provides comprehensive privacy to everyone, without the compromises that other pre-mimblewimble coins have. Dr Mönica
Hello sir @maxfreeman4 @Johnsstec @Yogadude
Thanks for the ama I notice that Epic Cash has 2 type of new algorithm, progPoW version 0.15.0 and randomX version 1.0.3 NOW , CAN you tell me why you choose these 2 algorithm??? Yoga Dude
We went with RandomX because it is a solid and very popular CPU centric algo used by several coins — most recently Monero. Most miners today heavily favor ASICs or GPUs, leaving a lot of solid high end users in the dust unable to mine emerging cryptos. As far as ProgPow, again its an established algo for GPU miners, and thanks to many cryptos starting with Bitcoin/Monero/Ethe etc there is no shortage of GPU rigs out there :) plus again the casual user with a video gaming caliber card can get in on the action. Oleg✌🏻 Perfect! It was a great AMA, but it is coming to an end, thanks to everyone who was with us. Thanks EPIC team for taking the time👏. I hope our projects will be able to collaborate even more closely in the future and achieve new successes. Cheers!
Stop measuring git commits, it is stupid! submitted by
On so many levels and from so many perspectives is number of commits a super duper terrible metrics.
Before I argue my statement, I would like to say that of course, it looks bad with absolutely NO public activity from developers over a long period of time (6-12 months).
I say ‘public activity’ because there can be activity, as in code being written, without it being public. More about that below.
Some folks seem to be very keen on using the number of commits as an indicator for the success of a project. There are sites highlighting these irrelevant metrics, e.g. https://www.cryptomiso.com/
Short about me:
I have a masters degree in computer science and I've worked professionally as a developer for 9 years. I have developed two crypto libraries, one crypto wallet and I'm working on my second one. I will not mention which ones, primarily because it is irrelevant, secondly, I don't want this post to be downvoted for shilling any specific crypto project.
First let's re-iterate some important concepts
VCS (Version Control System), `git` is the most popular. `svn` is another, but older and not as used any more
Git is a VCS protocol, nothing else. Git is not Github. Github uses git
Github: is an American for-profit company owned by Microsoft (bought in 2018), it is one of the most popular code hosting platform using the Git protocol
Gitlab: an alternative to Github
Bitbucket: an alternative to Github, owned by Atlassian, who also develops Jira.
More info about Git:
“git commit”: A commit is like a bookmark, when you read a book, you can either use a bookmark on every page, or read the whole book without any bookmarks. The commit is just saved locally only your computer until you “git PUSH”, see below
“git push”: Sending your local commit or commits to any remote git repo, which is a project hosted by any code hosting platform, e.g. Github.
“git squash“: Some people like to do many commits while coding, but just prior to pushing the code, they “merge” together all commits into a single one.
"commit --amend": Let's say I just commited a change in the README, and then I noticed that I misspelled a word, then I can fix that commit (changing it), and fixing the misspelled word, by using `git commit --amend`. Some developers do that, other just fix the misspelled word in a new commit. The difference is that `git commit --amend` results in one single commit (changed), whereas the latter results in two commits.
Different methodology, but same code:
How often developers commit differs A LOT, and I mean completely. Personally, I tend to code for a couple of hours, days or even weeks without making a single commit (frowned upon by some). Whereas other developers might commit any changed line of code. When the code gets pushed to the VCS remote repo (e.g. Github), it is still the exact same code. But coming from me it can be a single commit, but coming from Alice it can be 1000 commits. Same code but a difference in a number of commits by 3 orders of magnitude.
In the example above, maybe Alice committed 1000 times (whereas I committed once), but Alice also likes to have one single commit per feature/bugfix/improvement she is working on, so she git squashes and merges all here 1000 commits one. So now Alice method and my method ARE EXACTLY the same, when the code is pushed to GitHub. But it is impossible for us others to know that Alice single commit, actually was 1000 commits prior to being squashed.
Even though most crypto projects are open-source, some code might not be open-sourced at first, but might be at a later point in time, so these repositories will be hidden from the public, thus there can be a lot of activity in a certain project without the public knowing about it.
Even though most companies/projects have all their repositories under the same organization in the VCS code hosting platform, some repo's relevant to the project might not be. E.g. if you look at Bitcoin's page on Github, you will find 4 repositories: https://github.com/bitcoin
but some of its core developers might write experimental code in separate personal repo's (that might be private). Or repos not yet pushed, i.e. code sitting locally on her computer.
When Alice codes in a distributed project with many contributors it might be most suitable for her to not be using the projects repo directly, but rather a personal version of the whole code project, known as a fork (please not that this has nothing to do with 'forks of a DLT (e.g. blockchain)', as in spawning a new version of said crypto project, e.g. Litecoin and Bitcoin Cash being forks of Bitcoin, I'm talking about 'git fork' here). So Alice codes away in any branch, any number of commits, or a single one, in her own personal (git) fork of e.g. Bitcoin, her own repo. Then after some time (hours, days, weeks, months), she creates a Pull Request to the 'upstream repo' (original/source repo), and if other developers are happy with her work, it gets merged. So there might be activity, many of few commits, in another git repo, being a fork of the original one. The bitcoin C github repo currently has 23,958 git forks: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/network/members
that's actually so many that Github displays this message "Woah, this network is huge! We’re showing only some of this network’s repositories". So in order for you to KNOW
that there is NO activity for any developers, you would actually need to go through ALL forks (in this case ~24 thousand) of a repo to see that there have been no commits done recently. But as stated above, not even that is enough (the commits might not have been pushed yet, right?)
Irrelevant "wash" commits
I just coined the term "wash commits", so don't google it (you will only get images of jeans...LOL). Just like there are wash trades
, faking volume, any developer can either manually or using some trivial script, at a regular interval just add some character, e.g. a space, in any file of a project, git commit and push that change, and then perform another git commit removing said newly appended character. Then it will look like the project has activity. Hell, you can even do this in 10,000 commits daily, "Wow man! Look at all that activity! This crypto project is the best!" - well, no.
No squash and no amend
Two developers, Alice and Bob, neither uses `git squash`, but Alice uses `git commit --amend` to fix typos an other smaller changes, but Bob does not. Since neither uses `git squash`, over a long period of time this might result in a huge difference in the number of commits.
Rebase vs Merge
When Alice and Bob, working in the same repo, wants to merge together their different features they have been working on, they can do so by using two different methods, either `git merge` or `git rebase`, they former results in one extra commit, a commit of the merge event itself, whereas the latter does not result in any extra commit. These are different styles of working and often debated which is to prefer. Over a long period of time this might result in a huge difference in the number of commits.
More LoC, worse
LoC = Lines of Code. The more lines of code, the worse, okay. Many LoC is NOT at all, in any way, a good thing. The theoretically (however, of course, impossible) best code base, is the code base with 0 lines of code. It is trivial to maintain, you just have to do... nothing. It contains NO bugs. Code is in its natural state buggy. So many commits ADDING new code are not always good. Better with commits removing code, given the same functionality.
"But but but... how can I easily determine which crypto project is best by looking at Gitlab/Bitbucket/Github?"
Well you can't, that is my point. But if you want some tips of what to look for, using these metrics are actually relevant:
- Number of contributors
- Number of forks
- Number of stars
- Number of pull requests (PR for short, called "Merge Request" in Gitlab), and how many of them are open? How fast does a PR get merged?
- Last commit date: WARNING for false positives! Remember "wash commits" (mentioned above), if the last commit date is recent, it does NOT necessarilty mean that the project is active, have a look at the commit. Does it look trivial or not? A trivial commit is e.g. a commit adding a newline/space in the README.
This post is pure speculation but it's something that I've been thinking about for a while. This post is informational - it's not a quick FUD/FOMO analysis. However, I do make a case for being a long-term bull (i.e. years).
There are two major groups with large individual resources: miners and crypto investors. These aren't your general traders, these are large, multi-million dollar groups (or larger). Let's look at motivations of both to see how it can relate to prices. Crypto Miners
Miners obviously want maximum profit. There are several ways to do this:
- cut costs by buying cheaper hardware. Due to the crypto market bonanza in 2017, prices for various rigs have skyrocketed, even ASICs.
- increase price of crypto. If you can't cut costs, increase price of crypto through market manipulation (basically market buys which wipes out order books).
Note that Bitcoin's difficulty is at all-time high
. Litecoin too.
Increased difficulty means the same equipment will take longer to generate the same reward. Also note that with the upcoming halving - coming in a month for Litecoin and next year for Bitcoin - the reward for each crypto will significantly decrease. This means that - all else being equal - the profit for miners will drop significantly (temporarily, at least).
The other news is that your typical miner isn't making a lot of money. Like many other examples, economies of scale come into play and your big investors that have large facilities and equipment are the ones making more money. This means more power in the hands of fewer people who have a larger investment with their various interests. How is an individual going to compete with something like this
Also note that when the crypto market fell at the end of 2017, miner manufacturers had losses due to lack of new buyers. This led to a collapse in prices for various ASIC equipment and related hardware. This does affect stock market prices. Although crypto hardware isn't exactly a huge profit center, check out stock prices for AMD, Intel, and NVidia for the last 5 years. You'll see articles like this
that support my conclusions. Someone could dig more into this to get better numbers. Crypto Investors
Crypto investors (the whales), don't really care as much about buying vs. selling - they can profit in either move in the price. However, shorting is risky and shorting crypto is very risky so more are likely to err on the side of growth. It also benefits them for any large swing in prices as opposed to steady growth. They want the market to continue to grow since if it shrinks, it can be destroyed and their profits will go away. They also don't want the market to get too large too fast but some things are beyond their control once they overheat. They're frustrated since they want to pump a lot of money into this - for massive profits - but this attention will be noticed. For instance, if some whale invests $50b into Bitcoin, it'll cause havok on the market and the prices so they have to have relatively small investments. The big institutions want to throw more money into it but they know that if they do, the market will get out of hand. Being noticed invites unwanted regulations and this leads to loss of control and, likely, lower prices with less opportunity.
Note that the interests of both miners and investors sometimes overlap. For instance, miners want the crypto price to be higher so they have higher profits. Investors will also receive the rewards through higher prices.
However, sometimes their interests are in conflict. For instance, if I was running a mining business and I had some resources, here's what I see: an increasing rise in costs due to higher ASIC prices, lower reward due to higher difficulty, and lower reward due to halving.
What's my solution? I would:
- try to manipulate the market to raise the price of crypto to make mining more profitable
- from time to time, try to crash the market to make equipment prices collapse so I can stock up on new equipment and then raise the market again
- prices of various ASICS have fallen by over 2/3 and are coming back up again. If I can have a 66% off sale to replace my equipment so I can buy it then I would do that and use profits from shorting crypto to buy the new equipment and then wait for the market to spike again (and help it along)
You can see how investors could be working for this where some miners could get money together to hire professional traders to do this. Same with companies like AMD, Intel, NVidia, and others (ex: Samsung) who stand to make a lot of money selling this equipment.
The simple problem with crypto is for it to succeed:
- market needs to continue to grow
- as a result, more halving events will continue to happen (mathematical certainty)
- meaning rewards will continue to decrease
- difficulty will continue to increase
- so if prices stagnate, miners will be out of business
The only solution is for the miners - and their suppliers - to continue to pump crypto prices higher to maximize their profits... indefinitely. Investors help out with raising prices but they also help when the market overheats and they cash out and/or short. A market crash temporarily helps miners who can now buy cheaper equipment.
We've all seen charts like these
. How else can you explain such projectors (due to past history)? You do that with the continued - almost mathematically calculated - rises and falls in prices over time. If you add in difficulty, ASIC prices, and miner profitability, I'm sure you'll see a pattern. Larger difficulty (i.e. more costs) and higher hardware prices require higher crypto prices for miners to continue to be in business. Considering the market is still relatively small, it's easier to manipulate for higher prices.