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Pi Network [italian]

Pi Network [italian]
Pi Network è un progetto, ancora in fase iniziale (Fase I), nato a marzo 2019 da un'idea di alcuni dottorandi dell’Università di Stanford. L'idea dietro Pi Network è quella di permettere a qualsiasi persona con un cellulare di poter minare (ovvero “costruire”) questa cripto valuta. L'applicazione non usa batteria né dati del cellulare.
Per far ciò, basta scaricare gratuitamente l'app Pi Network dallo store, inserire solo alcune informazioni personali e, dopo aver obbligatoriamente inserito un codice di invito (il mio codice è uguale al mio username di Reddit, se volete usarlo), seguire dei semplici passaggi di introduzione ed infine cliccare sul pulsante con il fulmine ed iniziare a costruire la moneta.
Una volta registrati, ognuno avrà il suo codice da poter passare ad altre persone e per ogni nuovo utente che si iscrive tramite il vostro codice vedrete aumentare la vostra produzione di moneta. È importante ricordarsi di entrare nell'applicazione e cliccare il pulsante con il fulmine ogni 24h dall'ultima volta in cui lo si ha cliccato, altrimenti il processo di costruzione della moneta si interrompe e non si produrrà moneta fino a quando non avrete ri-cliccato quel pulsante.
Ad oggi, dopo solo 8 mesi, Pi Network ha più di 1 milione di utente attivi. Bitcoin, per fare un esempio, prima di arrivare ad 1 Milione di utenti ha impiegato 3 anni.

All'interno dell'app di Pi Network si possono avere diversi ruoli:
- Pioneer: al fine di evitare i bot e i fake account, bisogna aprire l'applicazione ogni 24h e ri-cliccare sul pulsante con il fulmine per ricominciare il mining, altrimenti questo viene interrotto, come vi spiegavo precedentemente;
- Contributor: si diventa contributor dopo aver effettuato con successo tre sessioni di mining, da cui ne consegue un aumento della velocità di costruzione della moneta e la possibilità di creare un proprio "security circle" con altre persone fidate che potrete aggiungere o dal vostro earning team (ovvero colori i quali si sono iscritti con il vostro codice) o dai contatti della vostra rubrica;
- Ambassador: si diventa ambassador invitando altre persone attraverso il proprio codice personale (che non è altro che il proprio username) aumentando anche qui la potenza di mining.
Al momento il Pi Coin non ha un valore sul mercato poiché non è stata ancora rilasciata ufficialmente come criptovaluta scambiabile. Per far ciò, bisognerà aspettare la l'ultima fase del progetto, ovvero la Fase III, dalla quale in poi non si potrà più accedere gratuitamente al mining della moneta, ma la si potrà solo acquistare o scambiare.
Ora è infatti l'occasione migliore per iniziare ad entrare nel vivo del progetto e, con un po' di pazienza, forse, ottenere dei risultati. Le basi ci sono tutte !

PI Network si sviluppa in tre fasi:
- La Prima fase comprende il design, lo sviluppo, la distribuzione e la verifica dell'applicazione.
Durante questa fase, l'applicazione emula il mining della moneta, ricompensando gli utenti con monete chiamate per l'appunto "Pi". Il mining, come vi spiegavo, dura 24 ore dopodiché dovrete nuovamente premere il pulsante con il fulmine nuovo per poter minare altre 24 ore, e così via.
- La Seconda fase è attualmente programmata entro il primo trimestre 2020 e riguarderà il "testnet" ossia, per semplicità, la dimostrazione delle potenziali capacità del progetto al fine di poter preparare il lancio della criptovaluta sul mercato.
La fase di testnet può essere intrapresa da ogni utente che vorrà parteciparvi utilizzando un PC e un software che sarà distribuito dagli sviluppatori. In questo modo si farà parte della rete di utenti che verificano le transazioni di scambio, ottenendo una ulteriore ricompensa per il lavoro svolto.
La Fase I e la Fase II saranno parallele, perciò anche durante la Fase II l'applicazione continuerà a ricompensarvi con il vostro mining e allo stesso tempo consentirà agli sviluppatori del Network di trovare errori e attuare tutte le modifiche necessarie per passare alla Fase III.
- La Terza fase sarà la fase finale dove la moneta avrà un valore che dipenderà dal mercato.
In questa ultima fase l'applicazione smetterà di ricompensare gli utenti, ma le monete che avete accumulato saranno scambiabili per qualsiasi altra moneta o vendute ad altri utenti usando i canali predisposti ad accettare la moneta.

Dal momento che il progetto è ancora in una fase iniziale, ovviamente non si sa se questo avrà più o meno successo, ma, non dovendo, ad oggi, investire soldi reali penso sia un buon "investimento" cliccare una volta al giorno un pulsante 😎

Allego inoltre il link del sito ufficiale di Pi Network dove potrete trovare altre informazioni più dettagliate: https://minepi.com/

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Pi Network Italia: quello che c'è da sapere

Pi Network Italia: quello che c'è da sapere
Pi Network è un progetto, ancora in fase iniziale (Fase I), nato a marzo 2019 da un'idea di alcuni dottorandi dell’Università di Stanford. L'idea dietro Pi Network è quella di permettere a qualsiasi persona con un cellulare di poter minare (ovvero “costruire”) questa cripto valuta. L'applicazione non usa batteria né dati del cellulare.
Per far ciò, basta scaricare gratuitamente l'app Pi Network dallo store, inserire solo alcune informazioni personali e, dopo aver obbligatoriamente inserito un codice di invito ( Fradepa7 , ossia il mio codice), seguire dei semplici passaggi di introduzione ed infine cliccare sul pulsante con il fulmine ed iniziare a costruire la moneta.
Una volta registrati, ognuno avrà il suo codice da poter passare ad altre persone e per ogni nuovo utente che si iscrive tramite il vostro codice vedrete aumentare la vostra produzione di moneta. È importante ricordarsi di entrare nell'applicazione e cliccare il pulsante con il fulmine ogni 24h dall'ultima volta in cui lo si ha cliccato, altrimenti il processo di costruzione della moneta si interrompe e non si produrrà moneta fino a quando non avrete ri-cliccato quel pulsante.
Ad oggi, dopo solo 8 mesi, Pi Network ha più di 1 milione di utente attivi. Bitcoin, per fare un esempio, prima di arrivare ad 1 Milione di utenti ha impiegato 3 anni.

All'interno dell'app di Pi Network si possono avere diversi ruoli:
- Pioneer: al fine di evitare i bot e i fake account, bisogna aprire l'applicazione ogni 24h e ri-cliccare sul pulsante con il fulmine per ricominciare il mining, altrimenti questo viene interrotto, come vi spiegavo precedentemente;
- Contributor: si diventa contributor dopo aver effettuato con successo tre sessioni di mining, da cui ne consegue un aumento della velocità di costruzione della moneta e la possibilità di creare un proprio "security circle" con altre persone fidate che potrete aggiungere o dal vostro earning team (ovvero colori i quali si sono iscritti con il vostro codice) o dai contatti della vostra rubrica;
- Ambassador: si diventa ambassador invitando altre persone attraverso il proprio codice personale (che non è altro che il proprio username) aumentando anche qui la potenza di mining.
Al momento il Pi Coin non ha un valore sul mercato poiché non è stata ancora rilasciata ufficialmente come criptovaluta scambiabile. Per far ciò, bisognerà aspettare la l'ultima fase del progetto, ovvero la Fase III, dalla quale in poi non si potrà più accedere gratuitamente al mining della moneta, ma la si potrà solo acquistare o scambiare.
Ora è infatti l'occasione migliore per iniziare ad entrare nel vivo del progetto e, con un po' di pazienza, forse, ottenere dei risultati. Le basi ci sono tutte !

PI Network si sviluppa in tre fasi:
- La Prima fase comprende il design, lo sviluppo, la distribuzione e la verifica dell'applicazione.
Durante questa fase, l'applicazione emula il mining della moneta, ricompensando gli utenti con monete chiamate per l'appunto "Pi". Il mining, come vi spiegavo, dura 24 ore dopodiché dovrete nuovamente premere il pulsante con il fulmine nuovo per poter minare altre 24 ore, e così via.
- La Seconda fase è attualmente programmata entro il primo trimestre 2020 e riguarderà il "testnet" ossia, per semplicità, la dimostrazione delle potenziali capacità del progetto al fine di poter preparare il lancio della criptovaluta sul mercato.
La fase di testnet può essere intrapresa da ogni utente che vorrà parteciparvi utilizzando un PC e un software che sarà distribuito dagli sviluppatori. In questo modo si farà parte della rete di utenti che verificano le transazioni di scambio, ottenendo una ulteriore ricompensa per il lavoro svolto.
La Fase I e la Fase II saranno parallele, perciò anche durante la Fase II l'applicazione continuerà a ricompensarvi con il vostro mining e allo stesso tempo consentirà agli sviluppatori del Network di trovare errori e attuare tutte le modifiche necessarie per passare alla Fase III.
- La Terza fase sarà la fase finale dove la moneta avrà un valore che dipenderà dal mercato.
In questa ultima fase l'applicazione smetterà di ricompensare gli utenti, ma le monete che avete accumulato saranno scambiabili per qualsiasi altra moneta o vendute ad altri utenti usando i canali predisposti ad accettare la moneta.

Dal momento che il progetto è ancora in una fase iniziale, ovviamente non si sa se questo avrà più o meno successo, ma, non dovendo, ad oggi, investire soldi reali penso sia un buon "investimento" cliccare una volta al giorno un pulsante 😎
Fatemi sapere cosa ne pensate e, se vi va, utilizzate il mio codice. Grazie 😁

Allego inoltre il link del sito ufficiale di Pi Network dove potrete trovare altre informazioni più dettagliate: https://minepi.com/

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The most interesting countries for mining: Top-3

The most interesting countries for mining: Top-3

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Switzerland

There is an interesting case with mining in a certain region of Switzerland. Canton of Zug is the center of the entire ecosystem called Crypto Valley. The Crypto Valley has active connections to international centers of blockchain innovation in London, Singapore, Silicon Valley, and New York.
Crypto Valley is quickly becoming a global center of competence thanks to its business-friendly regulatory framework, deep talent pool and sophisticated infrastructure. It has already attracted dozens of leading cryptographic companies and organizations, including Ethereum, Monetas, Bitcoin Suisse, Xapo, ShapeShift, ConsenSys, and Tezos.
To foster the growth of his ecosystem the Crypto Valley Association has been set up, within its framework
The Crypto Valley Association has been set up to foster the growth of this ecosystem through collaboration and partnerships with entrepreneurs, startups, investors, corporates, educational institutions, service providers, and government bodies.

Russia

There are certain peculiarities of Russia that make life easy for miners. First of all, the country’s chill climate allows to scrimp on equipment cooling. This is important taking into consideration that mining is a very energy-consuming process.
What is more, there are many hydroelectric power plants in Russia, whose capacities can be easily used for mining purposes (as it is already done). The country’s rivers are full-flowing, so the capacities of the hydroelectric power plants are pretty high.
Russian legislation does not categorically ban mining and cryptocurrencies but there no distinct regulations. The corresponding bill is being prepared for the adoption but is constantly revised.
Foreign companies and investors keep a close eye on the Russian market: both USA and China miners have expressed their interest, visiting Russia right along to test the waters.

Georgia

The country has a strong blockchain and mining industry, such organizations as Association Blockchain Georgia, Bitcoin Embassy Georgia and Blockchain Systems Institute are operating there. Georgia is a number one cryptocurrency mining country per caput.
The state is extremely crypto friendly, there are even free economic zones in the country. The environment is really welcoming for business which attracts foreign investors, including Bitfury which is controlling a great part of the Georgian mining. The foreign investors are granted by the reduced tariffs and the VAT extension.
The electrical energy is not expensive in Georgia, and the consumption is growing every year, mining being not due in no small part to that. The country ranked second in the world by the energy consumption for cryptocurrency mining, according to the CCAF (Cambridge Centre For Alternative Finance) research. The rivers are turbulent in the country, so the hydroelectric energy is one of the most affordable energy types. The electricity is even subsidized in some of Georgia’s regions, e.g. Alazani valley.

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The most interesting countries for mining: Top-3

The most interesting countries for mining: Top-3

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Switzerland

There is an interesting case with mining in a certain region of Switzerland. Canton of Zug is the center of the entire ecosystem called Crypto Valley. The Crypto Valley has active connections to international centers of blockchain innovation in London, Singapore, Silicon Valley, and New York.
Crypto Valley is quickly becoming a global center of competence thanks to its business-friendly regulatory framework, deep talent pool and sophisticated infrastructure. It has already attracted dozens of leading cryptographic companies and organizations, including Ethereum, Monetas, Bitcoin Suisse, Xapo, ShapeShift, ConsenSys, and Tezos.
To foster the growth of his ecosystem the Crypto Valley Association has been set up, within its framework
The Crypto Valley Association has been set up to foster the growth of this ecosystem through collaboration and partnerships with entrepreneurs, startups, investors, corporates, educational institutions, service providers, and government bodies.

Russia

There are certain peculiarities of Russia that make life easy for miners. First of all, the country’s chill climate allows to scrimp on equipment cooling. This is important taking into consideration that mining is a very energy-consuming process.
What is more, there are many hydroelectric power plants in Russia, whose capacities can be easily used for mining purposes (as it is already done). The country’s rivers are full-flowing, so the capacities of the hydroelectric power plants are pretty high.
Russian legislation does not categorically ban mining and cryptocurrencies but there no distinct regulations. The corresponding bill is being prepared for the adoption but is constantly revised.
Foreign companies and investors keep a close eye on the Russian market: both USA and China miners have expressed their interest, visiting Russia right along to test the waters.

Georgia

The country has a strong blockchain and mining industry, such organizations as Association Blockchain Georgia, Bitcoin Embassy Georgia and Blockchain Systems Institute are operating there. Georgia is a number one cryptocurrency mining country per caput.
The state is extremely crypto friendly, there are even free economic zones in the country. The environment is really welcoming for business which attracts foreign investors, including Bitfury which is controlling a great part of the Georgian mining. The foreign investors are granted by the reduced tariffs and the VAT extension.
The electrical energy is not expensive in Georgia, and the consumption is growing every year, mining being not due in no small part to that. The country ranked second in the world by the energy consumption for cryptocurrency mining, according to the CCAF (Cambridge Centre For Alternative Finance) research. The rivers are turbulent in the country, so the hydroelectric energy is one of the most affordable energy types. The electricity is even subsidized in some of Georgia’s regions, e.g. Alazani valley.

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Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam (with the exception of Monero) - Reformatted for Reddit

Original post by rethink-your-strategy on Bitcointalk.org here
This post has been reformatted to share on Reddit. What once was common knowledge, is now gone. You want a quality history lesson? Share this like wildfire.
August 15, 2014, 08:15:37 AM

Preamble

I'd like to start off by stating categorically that the cryptography presented by CryptoNote is completely, entirely solid. It has been vetted and looked over by fucking clever cryptographers/developers/wizards such as gmaxwell. Monero have had a group of independent mathematicians and cryptographers peer-reviewing the whitepaper (their annotations are here, and one of their reviews is here), and this same group of mathematicians and cryptographers is now reviewing the implementation of the cryptography in the Monero codebase. Many well known Bitcoin developers have already had a cursory look through the code to establish its validity. It is safe to say that, barring more exotic attacks that have to be mitigated over time as they are invented/discovered, and barring a CryptoNote implementation making rash decisions to implement something that reduces the anonymity set, the CryptoNote currencies are all cryptographically unlinkable and untraceable.
Two other things I should mention. I curse a lot when I'm angry (and scams like this make me angry). Second, where used my short date format is day/month/year (smallest to biggest).
If you find this information useful, a little donation would go a long way. Bitcoin address is 1rysLufu4qdVBRDyrf8ZjXy1nM19smTWd.

The Alleged CryptoNote/Bytecoin Story

CryptoNote is a new cryptocurrency protocol. It builds on some of the Bitcoin founding principles, but it adds to them. There are aspects of it that are truly well thought through and, in a sense, quite revolutionary. CryptoNote claim to have started working on their project years ago after Bitcoin's release, and I do not doubt the validity of this claim...clearly there's a lot of work and effort that went into this. The story as Bytecoin and CryptoNote claim it to be is as follows:
They developed the code for the principles expressed in their whitepaper, and in April, 2012, they released Bytecoin. All of the copyright messages in Bytecoin's code are "copyright the CryptoNote Developers", so clearly they are one and the same as the Bytecoin developers. In December 2012, they released their CryptoNote v1 whitepaper. In September 2013, they released their CryptoNote v2 whitepaper. In November 2013, the first piece of the Bytecoin code was first pushed to Github by "amjuarez", with a "Copyright (c) 2013 amjuarez" copyright notice. This was changed to "Copyright (c) 2013 Antonio Juarez" on March 3rd, 2014. By this juncture only the crypto libraries had been pushed up to github. Then, on March 4th, 2014, "amjuarez" pushed the rest of the code up to github, with the README strangely referring to "cybernote", even though the code referred to "Cryptonote". The copyrights all pointed to "the Cryptonote developers", and the "Antonio Juarez" copyright and license file was removed. Within a few days, "DStrange" stumbled across the bytecoin.org website when trying to mine on the bte.minefor.co.in pool (a pool for the-other-Bytecoin, BTE, not the-new-Bytecoin, BCN), and the rest is history as we know it. By this time Bytecoin had had a little over 80% of its total emission mined.

Immediate Red Flags

The first thing that is a red flag in all of this is that nobody, and I mean no-fucking-body, is a known entity. "Antonio Juarez" is not a known entity, "DStrange" is not a known entity, none of the made up names on the Bytecoin website exist (they've since removed their "team" page, see below), none of the made up names on the CryptoNote website exist (Johannes Meier, Maurice Planck, Max Jameson, Brandon Hawking, Catherine Erwin, Albert Werner, Marec Plíškov). If they're pseudonyms, then say so. If they're real names, then who the fuck are they??? Cryptographers, mathematicians, and computer scientists are well known - they have published papers or at least have commented on articles of interest. Many of them have their own github repos and Twitter feeds, and are a presence in the cryptocurrency community.
The other immediate red flag is that nobody, and I mean no-fucking-body, had heard of Bytecoin. Those that had heard of it thought it was the crummy SHA-256 Bitcoin clone that was a flop in the market. Bytecoin's claim that it had existed "on the deep web" for 2 years was not well received, because not a single vendor, user, miner, drug addict, drug seller, porn broker, fake ID card manufacturer, student who bought a fake ID card to get into bars, libertarian, libertard, cryptographer, Tor developer, Freenet developer, i2p developer, pedophile, or anyone else that is a known person - even just known on the Internet - had ever encountered "Bytecoin" on Tor. Ever. Nobody.

Indisputable Facts

Before I start with some conjecture and educated guesswork, I'd like to focus on an indisputable fact that obliterates any trust in both Bytecoin's and CryptoNote's bullshit story. Note, again, that I do not doubt the efficacy of the mathematics and cryptography behind CryptoNote, nor do I think there are backdoors in the code. What I do know for a fact is that the people behind CryptoNote and Bytecoin have actively deceived the Bitcoin and cryptocurrency community, and that makes them untrustworthy now and in the future. If you believe in the fundamentals in CryptoNote, then you need simply use a CryptoNote-derived cryptocurrency that is demonstrably independent of CryptoNote and Bytecoin's influence. Don't worry, I go into this a little later.
So as discussed, there were these two whitepapers that I linked to earlier. Just in case they try remove them, here is the v1 whitepaper and the v2 whitepaper mirrored on Archive.org. This v1/v2 whitepaper thing has been discussed at length on the Bytecoin forum thread, and the PGP signature on the files has been confirmed as being valid. When you open the respective PDFs you'll notice the valid signatures in them:
signature in the v1 whitepaper
signature in the v2 whitepaper
These are valid Adobe signatures, signed on 15/12/2012 and 17/10/2013 respectively. Here's where it gets interesting. When we inspect this file in Adobe Acrobat we get a little more information on the signature
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Notice the bit that says "Signing time is from the clock on the signer's computer"? Now normally you would use a Timestamp Authority (TSA) to validate your system time. There are enough public, free, RFC 3161 compatible TSAs that this is not a difficult thing. CryptoNote chose not do this. But we have no reason to doubt the time on the signature, right guys? crickets
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See these references from the v1 whitepaper footnotes? Those two also appear in the v2 whitepaperth. Neither of those two footnotes refer to anything in the main body of the v1 whitepaper's text, they're non-existent (in the v2 whitepaper they are used in text). The problem, though, is that the Bitcointalk post linked in the footnote is not from early 2012 (proof screenshot is authentic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=196259.0)
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May 5, 2013. The footnote is referencing a post that did not exist until then. And yet we are to believe that the whitepaper was signed on 12/12/2012! What sort of fucking fools do they take us for?
A little bit of extra digging validates this further. The document properties for both the v1 whitepaper as well as the v2 whitepaper confirms they were made in TeX Live 2013, which did not exist on 12/12/2012. The XMP properties are also quite revealing
XMP properties for the v1 whitepaper
XMP properties for the v2 whitepaper
According to that, the v1 whitepaper PDF was created on 10/04/2014, and the v2 whitepaper was created on 13/03/2014. And yet both of these documents were then modified in the past (when they were signed). Clearly the CryptoNote/Bytecoin developers are so advanced they also have a time machine, right?
Final confirmation that these creation dates are correct are revealed those XMP properties. The properties on both documents confirm that the PDF itself was generated from the LaTeX source using pdfTeX-1.40.14 (the pdf:Producer property). Now pdfTeX is a very old piece of software that isn't updated very often, so the minor version (the .14 part) is important.
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pdfTeX 1.40.14 pushed to source repo on Feb 14, 2014
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This version of pdfTeX was only pushed to the pdfTeX source repository on February 14, 2014, although it was included in a very early version of TeX Live 2013 (version 2013.20130523-1) that was released on May 23, 2013. The earliest mentions on the Internet of this version of pdfTeX are in two Stack Exchange comments that confirm its general availability at the end of May 2013 (here and here).
The conclusion we draw from this is that the CryptoNote developers, as clever as they were, intentionally deceived everyone into believing that the CryptoNote whitepapers were signed in 2012 and 2013, when the reality is that the v2 whitepaper was created in March, 2014, and the v1 whitepaper haphazardly created a month later by stripping bits out of the v2 whitepaper (accidentally leaving dead footnotes in).
Why would they create this fake v2 whitepaper in the first place? Why not just create a v1 whitepaper, or not even version it at all? The answer is simple: they wanted to lend credence and validity to the Bytecoin "2 years on the darkweb" claim so that everyone involved in CryptoNote and Bytecoin could profit from the 2 year fake mine of 82% of Bytecoin. What they didn't expect is the market to say "no thank you" to their premine scam.

And Now for Some Conjecture

As I mentioned earlier, the Bytecoin "team" page disappeared. I know it exists, because "AtomicDoge" referred to it as saying that one of the Bytecoin developers is a professor at Princeton. I called them out on it, and within a week the page had disappeared. Fucking cowards.
That was the event that triggered my desire to dig deeper and uncover the fuckery. As I discovered more and more oddities, fake accounts, trolling, and outright falsehoods, I wondered how deep the rabbit hole went. My starting point was DStrange. This is the account on Bitcointalk that "discovered" Bytecoin accidentally a mere 6 days after the first working iteration of the code was pushed to Github, purely by chance when mining a nearly dead currency on a tiny and virtually unheard of mining pool. He has subsequently appointed himself the representative of Bytecoin, or something similar. The whole thing is so badly scripted it's worse than a Spanish soap opera...I can't tell who Mr. Gonzales, the chief surgeon, is going to fuck next.
At the same time as DStrange made his "fuck me accidental discovery", another Bitcointalk account flared up to also "accidentally discover this weird thing that has randomly been discovered": Rias. What's interesting about both the "Rias" and "DStrange" accounts are their late 2013 creation date (October 31, 2013, and December 23, 2013, respectively), and yet they lay dormant until suddenly, out of the blue, on January 20th/21st they started posting. If you look at their early posts side by side you can even see the clustering: Rias, DStrange.
At any rate, the DStrange account "discovering" Bytecoin is beyond hilarious, especially with the Rias account chiming in to make the discovery seem natural. Knowing what we unmistakably do about the fake CryptoNote PDF dates lets us see this in a whole new light.
Of course, as has been pointed out before, the Bytecoin website did not exist in its "discovered" form until sometime between November 13, 2013 (when it was last captured as this random picture of a college girl) and February 25, 2014 (when it suddenly had the website on it as "discovered"). This can be confirmed by looking at the captures on Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://bytecoin.org
The CryptoNote website, too, did not exist in its current form until after October 20, 2013, at which time it was still the home of an encrypted message project by Alain Meier, a founding member of the Stanford Bitcoin Group and co-founder of BlockScore. This, too, can be confirmed on Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cryptonote.org
~It's hard to ascertain whether Alain had anything to do with CryptoNote or Bytecoin. It's certainly conceivable that the whitepaper was put together by him and other members of the Stanford Bitcoin Group, and the timeline fits, given that the group only formed around March 2013. More info on the people in the group can be found on their site, and determining if they played a role is something you can do in your own time.~
Update: Alain Meier posted in this thread, and followed it up with a Tweet, confirming that he has nothing to do with CryptoNote and all the related...stuff.

Batshit Insane

The Bytecoin guys revel in creating and using sockpuppet accounts. Remember that conversation where "Rias" asked who would put v1 on a whitepaper with no v2 out, and AlexGR said "a forward looking individual"? The conversation took place on May 30, and was repeated verbatim by shill accounts on Reddit on August 4 (also, screenshot in case they take it down).
Those two obvious sockpuppet/shill accounts also take delight in bashing Monero in the Monero sub-reddit (here are snippets from WhiteDynomite and cheri0). Literally the only thing these sockpuppets do, day in and day out, is make the Bytecoin sub-reddit look like it's trafficked, and spew angry bullshit all over the Monero sub-reddit. Fucking batshit insane - who the fuck has time for that? Clearly they're pissy that nobody has fallen for their scam. Oh, and did I mention that all of these sockpuppets have a late January/early February creation date? Because that's not fucking obvious at all.
And let's not forget that most recently the sockpuppets claimed that multi-sig is "a new revolutionary technology, it was discovered a short time ago and Bytecoin already implemented it". What the actual fuck. If you think that's bad, you're missing out on the best part of all: the Bytecoin shills claim that Bytecoin is actually Satoshi Nakamoto's work. I'm not fucking kidding you. For your viewing pleasure...I present to you...the Bytecoin Batshit Insane Circus:
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg8354977#msg8354977
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Seriously. Not only is this insulting as fuck to Satoshi Nakamoto, but it's insulting as fuck to our intelligence. And yet the fun doesn't stop there, folks! I present to you...the centerpiece of this Bytecoin Batshit Insane Circus exhibit...
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Of course! How could we have missed it! The clues were there all along! The CryptoNote/Bytecoin developers are actually aliens! Fuck me on a pogostick, this is the sort of stuff that results in people getting committed to the loony bin.
One last thing: without doing too much language analysis (which is mostly supposition and bullshit), it's easy to see common grammar and spelling fuck ups. My personal favorite is the "Is it true?" question. You can see it in the Bytecoin thread asking if it's Satoshi's second project, in the Monero thread asking if the Monero devs use a botnet to fake demand, and in the Dashcoin thread confirming the donation address (for a coin whose only claim is that they copy Bytecoin perfectly, what the fuck do they need donations for??).

Layer After Layer

One of the things that happened soon after the Bytecoin "big reveal" was a string of forks popping up. The first was Bitmonero on April 18. Fantomcoin was launched May 6. Quazarcoin was launched May 8. HoneyPenny was announced on April 21, although only launched as Boolberry on May 17. duckNote was launched on May 30. MonetaVerde as launched June 17.
Now for some reason unbeknownst to anyone with who isn't a retarded fuckface, the Bytecoin code was pushed up to SourceForge on 08/04/2014 (the "Registered" date is at the bottom of the page). I have no idea why they did this, maybe it's to try and lend credence to their bullshit story (oh hey, look how old Bytecoin is, it's even on Sourceforge!)
Coincidentally, and completely unrelated (hurr durr), Quazarcoin, Fantomcoin, and Monetaverde are all also on Sourceforge. This gives us a frame of reference and a common link between them - it's quite clear that at least these three are run by the same team as CryptoNote. There is further anecdotal evidence that can be gathered by looking at the shill posts in the threads (especially the way the Moneteverda shills praise merge mining, in a way that is nearly fucking indistinguishable from the Bytecoin praise for multi-sig technology).
QuazarCoin is a special case and deserves a little attention. Let's start with OracionSeis, who launched it. He's well known on Bitcointalk for selling in-game currencies. In that same thread you'll notice this gem right at the end from Fullbuster: "Hey,OracionSeis is no longer under my use so please https://bitcointa.lk/threads/selling-most-of-the-game-currencies.301540/#post-5996983 come into this thread! thank you !" Click through to his new link and Fullbuster clarifies: "Hello, I may look new around here but i've sold my first account and created new one and i have an intention to keep the same services running as my first account did." So now that we know that OracionSeis is a fucking bought account, we can look at his actions a little more critically.
On May 7, just when Monero was being taken back by the community (see below), OracionSeis out of the blue decided to take it overelaunch it himself. This included a now-defunct website at monero.co.in, and a since-abandoned Github. The community pushed back hard, true to form, with hard-hitting statements such as "To reiterate, this is not the original devs, and thus not a relaunch. OP, fuck you for trying this. This should warrant a ban." A man after my own heart. OracionSeis caved and decided to rename it to...QuazarCoin, which launched on May 8. To recap: bought account, launched by trying to "relaunch" Monero, got fucked up, renamed it to QuazarCoin. Clearly and undeniably goes in our pile of fuckface coins.
The other three are a little more interesting. Let's start with ~fuckNote~duckNote. It's hard to say if duckNote is a CryptoNote/Bytecoin project. The addition of the HTML based wallet is a one-trick pony, a common thread among most of the CryptoNote/Bytecoin controlled coins, but that could also be the result of a not-entirely-retarded developer. Given the shill posts in the duckNote thread I'm going to flag it as possibly-controlled-by-the-fuckface-brigade.
And now we come to ~HoneyPenny~ ~MoneyPenny~ ~HoneyBerry~ ~Boolean~ Boolberry. This is an interesting one. This was "pre-announced" on April 21, although it was only released with the genesis block on May 17. This puts it fourth in line, after Fantomcoin and Quazarcoin, although fucktarded proponents of the shittily-named currency insist that it was launched on April 21 because of a pre-announcement. Fucking rejects from the Pool of Stupidity, some of them. At any rate, "cryptozoidberg" is the prolific coder that churned out a Keccak-derived PoW (Wild Keccak) in a month, and then proceeded to add completely fucking retarded features like address aliasing that requires you to mine a block to get an address (lulz) and will never cause any issues when "google" or "obama" or "zuckerberg" want their alias back. Namecoin gets around this by forcing you to renew every ~200 - 250 days, and besides, nobody is making payments to microsoft.bit. This aliasing system is another atypical one-trick-pony that the CryptoNote developers push out and claim is monumental and historical and amazing.
There's also the matter of cryptozoidberg's nickname. In the Bytecoin code there's the BYTECOIN_NETWORK identifiert, which according to the comment is "Bender's nightmare" (hurr durr, such funny, 11100111110001011011001210110110 has a 2 in it). Now this may be a little bit of conjecture, yo, but the same comment appears twice in the "epee" contributed library, once in the levin signature, and again in the portable storage signature. The contexts are so disconnected and different that it would be a fucking stretch to imagine that the same person did not write both of these. We can also rule out this being a Bytecoin-specific change, as the "Bender's nightmare" comments exist in the original epee library on githubw (which is completely unused anywhere on the planet except in Bytecoin, most unusual for a library that has any usefulness, and was first committed to github on February 9, 2014).
We know from the copyright that Andrey N. Sabelnikov is the epee author, and we can say with reasonable certainty that he was involved in Bytecoin's creation and is the dev behind Boolberry. Sabelnikov is quite famous - he wrote the Kelihos botnet code and worked at two Russian security firms, Microsoft took him to court for his involvement (accusing him of operating the botnet as well), and then settled with him out of court on the basis of him not running the botnet but just having written the code. Kelihos is a botnet that pumped out online pharmacy spam (you know the fucking annoying "Y-ou Ne3D Vi-4Gra!?" emails? those.) so it's good to see he transitioned from that to a cryptocurrency scam. Regardless of BBR's claim to have "fixed" CryptoNote's privacy (and the fake fight on Bitcointalk between the "Bytecoin devs" and cryptozoidberg), it's clear that the link between them is not transparent. BBR is either the brainchild of a spam botnet author that worked on Bytecoin, or it's the CryptoNote developers trying to have one currency distanced from the rest so that they have a claim for legitimacy. I think it's the second one, and don't want to enter into a fucking debate about it. Make up your own mind.
Which brings us to the oddest story of the bunch: Bitmonero. It's pretty clear, given its early launch date and how unfamiliar anyone was with creating a genesis block or working in completely undocumented code, that thankful_for_today is/was part of the CryptoNote developers. He made a fatal error, though: he thought (just like all the other cryptocurrencies) that being "the dev" made him infallible. Ya know what happened? He tried to force his ideas, the community politely said "fuck you", and Bitmonero was forked into Monero, which is leading the pack of CryptoNote-based coins today. Let me be perfectly fucking clear: it doesn't matter that the Bytecoin/CryptoNote developers know their code and can push stuff out, and it doesn't matter that Sabelnikov can shovel bullshit features into his poorly named cryptocurrency, and it doesn't matter that Monetaverde is "green" and has "merged mining". Nobody working behind these cryptocurrencies is known in the cryptocurrency community, and that alone should be a big fucking red flag. Monero is streets ahead, partly because of the way they're developing the currency, but mostly because the "core devs" or whatever they're called are made up of reasonably well-known people. That there are a bunch of them (6 or 7?) plus a bunch of other people contributing code means that they're sanity checking each other.
And, as we saw, this has fucking infuriated the Bytecoin/CryptoNote developers. They're so angry they waste hours and hours with their Reddit accounts trawling the Monero sub-reddit, for what? Nobody has fallen for their scam, and after my revelation today nobody fucking will. Transparency wins, everything else is bullshit.
As pointed out by canonsburg, when the Bytecoin/CryptoNote people realised they'd lost the fucking game, they took a "scorched earth" approach. If they couldn't have the leading CryptoNote coin...they'd fucking destroy the rest by creating a shit-storm of CryptoNote coins. Not only did they setup a thread with "A complete forking guide to create your own CryptoNote currency", but they even have a dedicated website with a fuckton of JavaScript. Unfortunately this plan hasn't worked for them, because they forgot that nobody gives a fuck, and everyone is going to carry on forking Bitcoin-based coins because of the massive infrastructure and code etc. that works with Bitcoin-based coins.
There are a bunch of other useless CryptoNote coins, by the way: Aeon, Dashcoin, Infinium-8, OneEvilCoin. We saw earlier that Dashcoin is probably another CryptoNote developer driven coin. However, this entire group is not really important enough, nor do they have enough potential, for me to give a single fuck, so make up your own mind. New CryptoNote coins that pop up should be regarded with the utmost caution, given the bullshit capabilities that we've already seen.

All Tied Up in a Bow

I want to cement the relationship between the major CryptoNote shitcoins. I know that my previous section had a lot of conjecture in it, and there's been some insinuation that I'm throwing everyone under the bus because I'm raging against the machine. That's not my style. I'm more of a Katy Perry fan..."you're going to hear me roar". There were some extra links I uncovered during my research, and I lacked the time to add it to this post. Thankfully a little bit of sleep and a can of Monster later have given me the a chance to add this. Let's start with an analysis of the DNS records of the CN coins.
If we look at the whois and DNS records for bytecoin.org, quazarcoin.org, fantomcoin.org, monetaverde.org, cryptonote.org, bytecoiner.org, cryptonotefoundation.org, cryptonotestarter.org, and boolberry.com, we find three common traits, from not-entirely-damming to oh-shiiiiiiit:
  1. There's a lot of commonality with the registrar (NameCheap for almost all of them), the DNS service (HurricaneElectric's Free DNS or NameCheap's DNS), and with the webhost (LibertyVPS, QHosteSecureFastServer.com, etc.)
  2. All of the CN domains use WhoisGuard or similar private registration services.
  3. Every single domain, without exception, uses Zoho for email. The only outlier is bitmonero.org that uses Namecheap's free email forwarding, but it's safe to disregard this as the emails probably just forward to the CryptoNote developers' email.
The instinct may be to disregard this as a fucking convenient coincidence. But it isn't: Zoho used to be a distant second go Google Apps, but has since fallen hopelessly behind. Everyone uses Google Apps or they just use mail forwarding or whatever. With the rest of the points as well, as far-fetched as the link may seem, it's the combination that is unusual and a dead giveaway of the common thread. Just to demonstrate that I'm not "blowing shit out of proportion" I went and checked the records for a handful of coins launched over the past few months to see what they use.
darkcoin.io: mail: Namecheap email forwarding, hosting: Amazon AWS, open registration through NameCheap monero.cc: mail: mail.monero.cc, hosting: behind CloudFlare, open registration through Gandi xc-official.com: mail: Google Apps, hosting: MODX Cloud, hidden registration (DomainsByProxy) through GoDaddy blackcoin.io: mail: Namecheap email forwarding, hosting: behind BlackLotus, open registration through NameCheap bitcoindark.org: mail: no MX records, hosting: Google User Content, open registration through Wix viacoin.org: mail: mx.viacoin.org, hosting: behind CloudFlare, closed registration (ContactPrivacy) through Hostnuke.com neutrinocoin.org: mail: HostGator, hosting: HostGator, open registration through HostGator
There's no common thread between them. Everyone uses different service providers and different platforms. And none of them use Zoho.
My next check was to inspect the web page source code for these sites to find a further link. If you take a look at the main CSS file linked in the source code for monetaverde.org, fantomcoin.org, quazarcoin.org, cryptonotefoundation.org, cryptonote-coin.org, cryptonote.org, bitmonero.org, and bytecoiner.org, we find a CSS reset snippet at the top. It has a comment at the top that says "/* CSS Reset /", and then where it resets/sets the height it has the comment "/ always display scrollbars */". Now, near as I can find, this is a CSS snipped first published by Jake Rocheleau in an article on WebDesignLedger on October 24, 2012 (although confusingly Google seems to think it appeared on plumi.de cnippetz first, but checking archive.org shows that it was only added to that site at the beginning of 2013). It isn't a very popular CSS reset snippet, it got dumped in a couple of gists on Github, and translated and re-published in an article on a Russian website in November, 2012 (let's not go full-blown conspiritard and assume this links "cryptozoidberg" back to this, he's culpable enough on his own).
It's unusual to the point of being fucking impossible for one site to be using this, let alone a whole string of supposedly unrelated sites. Over the past few years the most popular CSS reset scripts have been Eric Meyer's "Reset CSS", HTML5 Doctor CSS Reset, Yahoo! (YUI 3) Reset CSS, Universal Selector ‘’ Reset, and Normalize.css, none of which contain the "/ CSS Reset /" or "/ always display scrollbars */" comments.
You've got to ask yourself a simple question: at what point does the combination of all of these fucking coincidental, completely unusual elements stop being coincidence and start becoming evidence of a real, tenable link? Is it possible that bytecoin.org, quazarcoin.org, fantomcoin.org, monetaverde.org, cryptonote.org, bytecoiner.org, cryptonotefoundation.org, cryptonotestarter.org, and boolberry.com just happen to use similar registrars/DNS providers/web hosts and exactly the fucking same wildly unpopular email provider? And is it also possible that monetaverde.org, fantomcoin.org, quazarcoin.org, cryptonotefoundation.org, cryptonote-coin.org, cryptonote.org, and bytecoin.org just happen to use the same completely unknown, incredibly obscure CSS reset snippet? It's not a conspiracy, it's not a coincidence, it's just another piece of evidence that all of these were spewed out by the same fucking people.

The Conclusion of the Matter

Don't take the last section as any sort of push for Monero. I think it's got potential (certainly much more than the other retarded "anonymous" coins that "developers" are popping out like street children from a cheap ho), and I hold a bit of XMR for shits and giggles, so take that tacit endorsement with a pinch of fucking salt.
The point is this: Bytecoin's 82% premine was definitely the result of a faked blockchain. CryptoNote's whitepaper dates were purposely falsified to back up this bullshit claim. Both Bytecoin and CryptoNote have perpetuated this scam by making up fake website data and all sorts. They further perpetuate it using shill accounts, most notably "DStrange" and "Rias" among others.
They launched a series of cryptocurrencies that should be avoided at all cost: Fantomcoin, Quazarcoin, and Monetaverde. They are likely behind duckNote and Boolberry, but fuck it, it's on your head if you want to deal with scam artists and botnet creators.
They developed amazing technology, and had a pretty decent implementation. They fucked themselves over by being fucking greedy, being utterly retarded, being batshit insane, and trying to create legitimacy where there was none. They lost the minute the community took Monero away from them, and no amount of damage control will save them from their own stupidity.
I expect there to be a fuck-ton of shills posting in this thread (and possibly a few genuine supporters who don't know any better). If you want to discuss or clarify something, cool, let's do that. If you want to have a protracted debate about my conjecture, then fuck off, it's called conjecture for a reason you ignoramus. I don't really give a flying fuck if I got it right or wrong, you're old and ugly enough to make up your own mind.
tl;dr - CryptoNote developers faked dates in whitepapers. Bytecoin faked dates in fake blockchain to facilitate an 82% premine, and CryptoNote backed them up. Bytecoin, Fantomcoin, Quazarcoin, Monetaverde, Dashcoin are all from the same people and should be avoided like the fucking black plague. duckNote and Boolberry are probably from them as well, or are at least just fucking dodgy, and who the fuck cares anyway. Monero would have been fucking dodgy, but the community saved it. Make your own mind up about shit and demand that known people are involved and that there is fucking transparency. End transmission.
Just a reminder that if you found this information useful, a little donation would go a long way. Bitcoin address is 1rysLufu4qdVBRDyrf8ZjXy1nM19smTWd.
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Terrible Token Tuesday - Same Plot as Old Yeller, But the Ending Will Make You Smile.

Terrible Token Tuesday comes back this week with a new list of projects short on good ideas and sound execution as featured on ConcourseQ.
The Concourse Open Community is #buidling several interesting projects in the space. Check out our Discord for more on our community’s ethos.
And on to TTT:
LiteCoinOne - https://concourseq.io/Q/LiteCoinOne LiteCoinOne are creating an ERC-20 to get funding. After that they will need 6 months to launch their LiteCoin spin-off; meanwhile they could have forked LiteCoin in 5 mins and launched! Knowing that this part of the pitch doesn't hold, they added some exchange mambojambo. All that is bad, but the really funny part is that the project’s team photos are so badly photoshopped that they seem fake. All in all, those guys must be the least ambitious snake oil salesmen in the space, as they are just asking for $32K.
TrustLogics - https://concourseq.io/Q/TrustLogics Trust Logics is creating a decentralised LinkedIn and to make it more interesting, they threw in a pinch of their magical - yet still unknown- AI “DUBOT”. It is not clear what edge blockchain or AI provides on its competitors in the already crowded Human Resources field knowing that the team does not seem to have any blockchain or AI talent to actually help make a difference.
Denarii Cash - https://concourseq.io/Q/Denarii_Cash It is not really clear why a simple crypto wallet would need to have a token sale when there are numerous other free solutions which offer battle-tested products with a clear head start and a lot more adoption-- not to mention that this leaves Denarii’s investors with a meaningless token that does not seem to have any use-case on the platform.
LendChain - https://concourseq.io/Q/LendChain LendChain’s ambiguous team with social profiles that seem more fake than not, is clearly overpromising, and wants to build not just a lending platform, but all sorts of financial derivatives and to top it all off a proprietary blockchain. All these are clearly way out of the team’s league especially since the folks at LendChain couldn’t even manage to draft a good quality whitepaper.
CyphrCoin - https://concourseq.io/Q/CyphrCoin CyphrCoin team seem to have been living under a rock for the last 10 years, and have probably missed the news of Bitcoin launch. That’s why they earn the title of featured DD of the week. Check them out on the link!
Here are some of last week’s TTT “diligent” features with ICO’s coming soon :
Moneta Hawk - https://concourseq.io/Q/MonetaHawk Moneta Hawk and the Tripago ICO which also received a warning on ConcourseQ seem to both be operated by the same director out of a Romanian supermarket. Tripago is also a distinguished TTT alumni, but this time the shady team seems to be taking it one step further by claiming to have a partnership with us (ConcourseQ).
Bitlumens - https://concourseq.io/Q/Bitlumens Bitlumens are really into a noble cause, which is providing power to people that are off-grid, but despite all those seemingly good intentions, this project does look to be a great deal for the ICO investors, who will be giving their money to create an unsustainable model, and will likely see no returns from their investment.
Undal Technologies - https://concourseq.io/Q/Undal_Technologies The idea of crypto ATM has been used so much in the space that Undal Technologies decided to rebrand it into a “Decentralised Exchange Kiosk”. Well if that is not enough, the company intends to fit all sorts of futuristic and yet to be discovered technologies inside that kiosk, all taken from the most credible scientific source: Marvel’s Black Panther!
Gear Token - https://concourseq.io/Q/GEAR_Token Gear Token’s business plan seems underdeveloped and lacks a lot of technical details for a company that wants to produce green energy to mine cryptocurrencies. You would expect to at least have a target location, and maybe which green energy they will be using, but the team leaves both of those questions unanswered, and on top of that guarantees ROI to investors without knowing what their costs would be!
Dylyver - https://concourseq.io/Q/Dylyver Lots of discrepancies between the team’s bios and the project roadmap, while the CEO has a trail of failed projects behind him. Although the project is a ride-sharing platform, for some unknown reasons it throws in to the mix a crypto debit card, and without any factual data promises 1,000% ROI to investors.
The ConcourseQ team would like to thank everybody that helped on these DDs and all the others!
If you want to join our community, meet us on our Discord:
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Criptovalute e Mining. Parliamone!

Ciao a tutti,
in ambito criptovalute seguo da molto l'andamento dei bitcoin e delle relativamente nuove valute anche se sfortunatamente, per pigrizia, come tanti altri non ho investito subito nel processo e ovviamente me ne pento, ma questo è ormai passato.
Parlando di quello che è oggi il panorama delle criptovalute, dove credete abbia piu' senso investire? I bitcoin rimangono probabilemente la moneta con piu' variazioni in assoluto, quindi quella che puo' portare anche piu' soldi. Comunque sul mercato ci sono anche altre monete interessanti, come ETH, LTC o Monero (/serhack), cosa ne pensate di quest'ultima? Mi è sembrato che sul sub ci siano persone che hanno contribuito alla sua creazione e mi piacerebbe sentire la loro oppinione a riguardo e il perché dovrebbe avere senso investirci.
Data la natura di queste monete si è creata una incredibile "frammentazione" comune nel mondo open, che è vero ha i suoi vantaggi, ma in questo caso non è mera speculazione? Secondo voi quale senso ha l'esistenza di cosi' tante monete che condividono lo stesso obiettivo (seppur con minime variazioni)?
Cosa ne pensate dei servizi per effettuare mining online? Possono ancora avere senso? Ultimamente mi sono imbattuto in auroramine, che è un caso particolare in quanto offre delle percentuale incredibilmente vantaggiose e per il momento sembrerebbe pagare. In altri casi le percentuali di revenue sono talmente basse che con il valore attuale delle monete non ha senso neanche provarci.
Infine, vedete ancora le criptovalute come una moneta utilizzabile "nel quotidiano" o solo come moneta di speculazione? Considerando il mio utilizzo, io sono propenso a considerarla soprattutto per quest'ultimo scopo.
Mi piacerebbe parlarne in quanto raramente IRL ho modo di discuterne senza sembrare un pazzo!:D
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Il mio professore complottista - UPDATE natalizio

Heilà gente di /italy ! Quanto tempo! Le vacanze di natale sono arrivate per noi liceali, ed è finalmente arrivato anche del buon tempo libero per dedicarsi al cazzeggio in allegria.
Molti di voi si ricorderanno di me e della mia storia, e aspettavano con trepidazione un aggiornamento sulla situazione con il mio buon professore di storia e filosofia. Se invece non vi è familiare, beh, leggete questo vecchio post.
Devo dire, in questi mesi ne sono successe proprio di tutti i colori! Grazie al nostro illuminato professore, posso affermare di poter d'ora in poi potare con me tantissimi divertenti e bei ricordi, e non sono neppure sarcastico. Tra Massoni, gruppi Bilderberg, trilaterali, video pseudoscientifici ce n'è stato da divertirsi. Se da un lato abbiamo potuto identificarlo come Asperger depresso schizzoide per il modo in cui si concepisce al di sopra di tutti e per come sia estremamente maschilista ed elitista (insomma, clerical-reazionario ma anche neckbeard) nel modo in cui tratta e dà votazioni a buona parte dell'universo femminile in classe; dall'altro, pur non potendolo cacciare, ora l'intero consiglio di classe degli insegnanti lo odia a morte e non per colpa nostra, ma sempre perchè si crede superiore a tutti loro e non fa fatica a dirlo.
Quando ho detto che mi ha lasciato bei ricordi è stato più che altro per le panzane giganti che racconta. Molte le sapete già, molte altre le dirò ora (lo faccio per quella percentuale di voi che è venuta qui per farsi una risata). La cosa bella però è che, grazie a un individuo come lui, ora io e buona parte dei miei compagni ci siamo fatti gli anticorpi contro questo tipo di cazzate (come qualcuno faceva notare nei post precedenti), e non tanto per le cazzate in sè che sono ridicole, ma per i metodi subdoli che vengono usati per esporle. Metodi che se usati da un idiota sono facilmente riconoscibili, e quindi funziona tutto più o meno come un vaccino (wow!).
Allora, io e diversi soci ci eravamo riproposti di fare una raccolta universale delle sue cazzate da terminare e "pubblicare" a fine anno. Ecco a voi, popolo degli interwebz, un estratto dei punti finora più divertenti:

Le emozioni dell'acqua

Un giorno entra in classe e ci mostra tutto contento questo video. Non ci sarebbe da commentare. Guardatelo e basta. Se dopo non vi è ancora venuto il cancro ai testicoli o alle ovaie sappiate che sì, siamo in un liceo scientifico.

La ricchezza del Regno delle due Sicilie

Dovete sapere che il nostro prof è anche un terrone. Ok, ok, sembra una cosa razzista da dire visto che sono lombardo, ma vi posso assicurare che sono tutt'altro che leghista. Lo chiamo terrone perchè è neoborbonico. Cioè, lui è un leghista al contrario. E lavora qua. In Lombardia.
Un giorno, mentre stava spiegando la seconda rivoluzione industriale, ci dice che il Regno delle due Sicilie era uno dei più avanzati d'Europa. Già a questa affermazione verrebbe, obiettivamente, da storcere il naso. Uno non nega che certe zone fossero magari importanti culturalmente e tanta roba, ma se mi viene a dire che era una potenza industriale mi pare strano. E non è una questione di political correctness, ma di raccontare la verità storica in una cazzo di lezione di storia. Bene, non è tutto, perchè poi ci dice che nell'Esposizione Universale di Londra del 1851 il Regno delle Due Sicilie non solo aveva partecipato, ma era stato premiato come TERZA POTENZA INDUSTRIALE NEL MONDO. Il bullshit detector allora mi è andato a mille e sono corso a cercare fonti. E non solo pare che il povero regno borbonico non abbia vinto un cazzo, ma che NON CI FOSSE NEMMENO ALL'ESPOSIZIONE DI LONDRA. NON C'ERA. Guardate su wikipedia. Cazzo.
In ogni caso pare che la spiegazione di questa mancanza di fonti ce la abbia data lui stesso, quando ha detto che l'intero processo di unificazione Nazionale sia stato ordito come crimine massonico contro il RDDS e la Chiesa. Non solo Garibaldi, spinto da un complotto massonico Inglese, ha schiavizzato il Sud Italia, ma ha anche letteralmente smantellato le fabbriche del Regno delle due Sicilie per rimontarle al Nord e ha cancellato ogni prova di industrializzazione. Jeez.

I Bitcoin sono il male

Questa è più che altro una discussione ridicola tra me e lui. Mi sono stupito quando gli ho sentito dire che i Bitcoin sono malvagi, visto che, per sua natura, la moneta decentralizzata attira di solito tanti complottardi anti-banche tra le file degli altrimenti sani di mente tecno-entusiasti. Questo è più o meno stato il discorso tra me e lui:
Io: Maddai, prof, non esagera un po' a dire che i Bitcoin sono malvagi? E poi non sono mica l'esatto opposto delle malvagie banche-mason-illuminati-ebrei? Prof: Lo sai che la gente può creare i Bitcoin dal nulla? Ci sono dei segreti algoritmi che alcuni individui potenti possono usare per creare moneta! Lo sai che quando si stampano i soldi c'è una cosina chiamata inflazione e questi valgono meno? (detto con la voce con cui si parla a un bambino) Io (tentando inutilmente di rispondere seriamente): Ma è scorretto... quella cosa si chiama mining e chiunque può farla, e poi la crescita dei Bitcoin è controllata, tanto che c'è persino un limite teoretico di 21 milioni di unità. Piuttosto è deflazionario a lungo termine, ed è questo il problema. Prof (confuso): Si ma tu come fai a esserne sicuro poi tanto il limite lo superano e vanno oltre bla bla inserire supercazzola filosofica sul nomos delle cose.

Giulietto Chiesa è una vittima dei massoni!

Ho già detto tutto. Ah, è anche fan di Barnard. Non lo so però se ha seguito i suoi post ultimamente.

Minchiate clerical-reazionarie

Se c'è una cosa che ho imparato più di tutte da lui è che chi è complottardo è spessissimo, almeno in Italia, anche un cattolico reazionario. Ed evviva alla storia raccontata obbiettivamente, ovvero dicendo che ci sono complotti dietro a tutto, ma MAI dietro alla Chiesa! E che Pio IX non era oscurantista! Gli Inglesi e gli Americani sono l'Anticristo, mentre la Russia di Putin è un paese libero! Il medioevo era una cosa bbella! Perchè? Guardate le bellissime cattedrali! (vera citazione) La scienza è riduzionista ed è malvagia, Darwin diceva che siamo tutti scimmie e che il razzismo è legittimo! Non c'è relativismo! L'informatica è il male e i Daft Punk sono armi di propaganda transumanista!
Bastah. Non ce la faccio ad andare avanti. Se volete chiarimenti su qualcosa, commentate. Io vado a suicidarmi.
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August 15, 2014, 08:15:37 AM

Preamble

I'd like to start off by stating categorically that the cryptography presented by CryptoNote is completely, entirely solid. It has been vetted and looked over by fucking clever cryptographers/developers/wizards such as gmaxwell. Monero have had a group of independent mathematicians and cryptographers peer-reviewing the whitepaper (their annotations are here, and one of their reviews is here), and this same group of mathematicians and cryptographers is now reviewing the implementation of the cryptography in the Monero codebase. Many well known Bitcoin developers have already had a cursory look through the code to establish its validity. It is safe to say that, barring more exotic attacks that have to be mitigated over time as they are invented/discovered, and barring a CryptoNote implementation making rash decisions to implement something that reduces the anonymity set, the CryptoNote currencies are all cryptographically unlinkable and untraceable.
Two other things I should mention. I curse a lot when I'm angry (and scams like this make me angry). Second, where used my short date format is day/month/year (smallest to biggest).
If you find this information useful, a little donation would go a long way. Bitcoin address is 1rysLufu4qdVBRDyrf8ZjXy1nM19smTWd.

The Alleged CryptoNote/Bytecoin Story

CryptoNote is a new cryptocurrency protocol. It builds on some of the Bitcoin founding principles, but it adds to them. There are aspects of it that are truly well thought through and, in a sense, quite revolutionary. CryptoNote claim to have started working on their project years ago after Bitcoin's release, and I do not doubt the validity of this claim...clearly there's a lot of work and effort that went into this. The story as Bytecoin and CryptoNote claim it to be is as follows:
They developed the code for the principles expressed in their whitepaper, and in April, 2012, they released Bytecoin. All of the copyright messages in Bytecoin's code are "copyright the CryptoNote Developers", so clearly they are one and the same as the Bytecoin developers. In December 2012, they released their CryptoNote v1 whitepaper. In September 2013, they released their CryptoNote v2 whitepaper. In November 2013, the first piece of the Bytecoin code was first pushed to Github by "amjuarez", with a "Copyright (c) 2013 amjuarez" copyright notice. This was changed to "Copyright (c) 2013 Antonio Juarez" on March 3rd, 2014. By this juncture only the crypto libraries had been pushed up to github. Then, on March 4th, 2014, "amjuarez" pushed the rest of the code up to github, with the README strangely referring to "cybernote", even though the code referred to "Cryptonote". The copyrights all pointed to "the Cryptonote developers", and the "Antonio Juarez" copyright and license file was removed. Within a few days, "DStrange" stumbled across the bytecoin.org website when trying to mine on the bte.minefor.co.in pool (a pool for the-other-Bytecoin, BTE, not the-new-Bytecoin, BCN), and the rest is history as we know it. By this time Bytecoin had had a little over 80% of its total emission mined.

Immediate Red Flags

The first thing that is a red flag in all of this is that nobody, and I mean no-fucking-body, is a known entity. "Antonio Juarez" is not a known entity, "DStrange" is not a known entity, none of the made up names on the Bytecoin website exist (they've since removed their "team" page, see below), none of the made up names on the CryptoNote website exist (Johannes Meier, Maurice Planck, Max Jameson, Brandon Hawking, Catherine Erwin, Albert Werner, Marec Plíškov). If they're pseudonyms, then say so. If they're real names, then who the fuck are they??? Cryptographers, mathematicians, and computer scientists are well known - they have published papers or at least have commented on articles of interest. Many of them have their own github repos and Twitter feeds, and are a presence in the cryptocurrency community.
The other immediate red flag is that nobody, and I mean no-fucking-body, had heard of Bytecoin. Those that had heard of it thought it was the crummy SHA-256 Bitcoin clone that was a flop in the market. Bytecoin's claim that it had existed "on the deep web" for 2 years was not well received, because not a single vendor, user, miner, drug addict, drug seller, porn broker, fake ID card manufacturer, student who bought a fake ID card to get into bars, libertarian, libertard, cryptographer, Tor developer, Freenet developer, i2p developer, pedophile, or anyone else that is a known person - even just known on the Internet - had ever encountered "Bytecoin" on Tor. Ever. Nobody.

Indisputable Facts

Before I start with some conjecture and educated guesswork, I'd like to focus on an indisputable fact that obliterates any trust in both Bytecoin's and CryptoNote's bullshit story. Note, again, that I do not doubt the efficacy of the mathematics and cryptography behind CryptoNote, nor do I think there are backdoors in the code. What I do know for a fact is that the people behind CryptoNote and Bytecoin have actively deceived the Bitcoin and cryptocurrency community, and that makes them untrustworthy now and in the future. If you believe in the fundamentals in CryptoNote, then you need simply use a CryptoNote-derived cryptocurrency that is demonstrably independent of CryptoNote and Bytecoin's influence. Don't worry, I go into this a little later.
So as discussed, there were these two whitepapers that I linked to earlier. Just in case they try remove them, here is the v1 whitepaper and the v2 whitepaper mirrored on Archive.org. This v1/v2 whitepaper thing has been discussed at length on the Bytecoin forum thread, and the PGP signature on the files has been confirmed as being valid. When you open the respective PDFs you'll notice the valid signatures in them:
signature in the v1 whitepaper
signature in the v2 whitepaper
These are valid Adobe signatures, signed on 15/12/2012 and 17/10/2013 respectively. Here's where it gets interesting. When we inspect this file in Adobe Acrobat we get a little more information on the signature
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Notice the bit that says "Signing time is from the clock on the signer's computer"? Now normally you would use a Timestamp Authority (TSA) to validate your system time. There are enough public, free, RFC 3161 compatible TSAs that this is not a difficult thing. CryptoNote chose not do this. But we have no reason to doubt the time on the signature, right guys? crickets
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See these references from the v1 whitepaper footnotes? Those two also appear in the v2 whitepaperth. Neither of those two footnotes refer to anything in the main body of the v1 whitepaper's text, they're non-existent (in the v2 whitepaper they are used in text). The problem, though, is that the Bitcointalk post linked in the footnote is not from early 2012 (proof screenshot is authentic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=196259.0)
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May 5, 2013. The footnote is referencing a post that did not exist until then. And yet we are to believe that the whitepaper was signed on 12/12/2012! What sort of fucking fools do they take us for?
A little bit of extra digging validates this further. The document properties for both the v1 whitepaper as well as the v2 whitepaper confirms they were made in TeX Live 2013, which did not exist on 12/12/2012. The XMP properties are also quite revealing
XMP properties for the v1 whitepaper
XMP properties for the v2 whitepaper
According to that, the v1 whitepaper PDF was created on 10/04/2014, and the v2 whitepaper was created on 13/03/2014. And yet both of these documents were then modified in the past (when they were signed). Clearly the CryptoNote/Bytecoin developers are so advanced they also have a time machine, right?
Final confirmation that these creation dates are correct are revealed those XMP properties. The properties on both documents confirm that the PDF itself was generated from the LaTeX source using pdfTeX-1.40.14 (the pdf:Producer property). Now pdfTeX is a very old piece of software that isn't updated very often, so the minor version (the .14 part) is important.
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pdfTeX 1.40.14 pushed to source repo on Feb 14, 2014
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This version of pdfTeX was only pushed to the pdfTeX source repository on February 14, 2014, although it was included in a very early version of TeX Live 2013 (version 2013.20130523-1) that was released on May 23, 2013. The earliest mentions on the Internet of this version of pdfTeX are in two Stack Exchange comments that confirm its general availability at the end of May 2013 (here and here).
The conclusion we draw from this is that the CryptoNote developers, as clever as they were, intentionally deceived everyone into believing that the CryptoNote whitepapers were signed in 2012 and 2013, when the reality is that the v2 whitepaper was created in March, 2014, and the v1 whitepaper haphazardly created a month later by stripping bits out of the v2 whitepaper (accidentally leaving dead footnotes in).
Why would they create this fake v2 whitepaper in the first place? Why not just create a v1 whitepaper, or not even version it at all? The answer is simple: they wanted to lend credence and validity to the Bytecoin "2 years on the darkweb" claim so that everyone involved in CryptoNote and Bytecoin could profit from the 2 year fake mine of 82% of Bytecoin. What they didn't expect is the market to say "no thank you" to their premine scam.

And Now for Some Conjecture

As I mentioned earlier, the Bytecoin "team" page disappeared. I know it exists, because "AtomicDoge" referred to it as saying that one of the Bytecoin developers is a professor at Princeton. I called them out on it, and within a week the page had disappeared. Fucking cowards.
That was the event that triggered my desire to dig deeper and uncover the fuckery. As I discovered more and more oddities, fake accounts, trolling, and outright falsehoods, I wondered how deep the rabbit hole went. My starting point was DStrange. This is the account on Bitcointalk that "discovered" Bytecoin accidentally a mere 6 days after the first working iteration of the code was pushed to Github, purely by chance when mining a nearly dead currency on a tiny and virtually unheard of mining pool. He has subsequently appointed himself the representative of Bytecoin, or something similar. The whole thing is so badly scripted it's worse than a Spanish soap opera...I can't tell who Mr. Gonzales, the chief surgeon, is going to fuck next.
At the same time as DStrange made his "fuck me accidental discovery", another Bitcointalk account flared up to also "accidentally discover this weird thing that has randomly been discovered": Rias. What's interesting about both the "Rias" and "DStrange" accounts are their late 2013 creation date (October 31, 2013, and December 23, 2013, respectively), and yet they lay dormant until suddenly, out of the blue, on January 20th/21st they started posting. If you look at their early posts side by side you can even see the clustering: Rias, DStrange.
At any rate, the DStrange account "discovering" Bytecoin is beyond hilarious, especially with the Rias account chiming in to make the discovery seem natural. Knowing what we unmistakably do about the fake CryptoNote PDF dates lets us see this in a whole new light.
Of course, as has been pointed out before, the Bytecoin website did not exist in its "discovered" form until sometime between November 13, 2013 (when it was last captured as this random picture of a college girl) and February 25, 2014 (when it suddenly had the website on it as "discovered"). This can be confirmed by looking at the captures on Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://bytecoin.org
The CryptoNote website, too, did not exist in its current form until after October 20, 2013, at which time it was still the home of an encrypted message project by Alain Meier, a founding member of the Stanford Bitcoin Group and co-founder of BlockScore. This, too, can be confirmed on Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cryptonote.org
~It's hard to ascertain whether Alain had anything to do with CryptoNote or Bytecoin. It's certainly conceivable that the whitepaper was put together by him and other members of the Stanford Bitcoin Group, and the timeline fits, given that the group only formed around March 2013. More info on the people in the group can be found on their site, and determining if they played a role is something you can do in your own time.~
Update: Alain Meier posted in this thread, and followed it up with a Tweet, confirming that he has nothing to do with CryptoNote and all the related...stuff.

Batshit Insane

The Bytecoin guys revel in creating and using sockpuppet accounts. Remember that conversation where "Rias" asked who would put v1 on a whitepaper with no v2 out, and AlexGR said "a forward looking individual"? The conversation took place on May 30, and was repeated verbatim by shill accounts on Reddit on August 4 (also, screenshot in case they take it down).
Those two obvious sockpuppet/shill accounts also take delight in bashing Monero in the Monero sub-reddit (here are snippets from WhiteDynomite and cheri0). Literally the only thing these sockpuppets do, day in and day out, is make the Bytecoin sub-reddit look like it's trafficked, and spew angry bullshit all over the Monero sub-reddit. Fucking batshit insane - who the fuck has time for that? Clearly they're pissy that nobody has fallen for their scam. Oh, and did I mention that all of these sockpuppets have a late January/early February creation date? Because that's not fucking obvious at all.
And let's not forget that most recently the sockpuppets claimed that multi-sig is "a new revolutionary technology, it was discovered a short time ago and Bytecoin already implemented it". What the actual fuck. If you think that's bad, you're missing out on the best part of all: the Bytecoin shills claim that Bytecoin is actually Satoshi Nakamoto's work. I'm not fucking kidding you. For your viewing pleasure...I present to you...the Bytecoin Batshit Insane Circus:
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg8354977#msg8354977
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Seriously. Not only is this insulting as fuck to Satoshi Nakamoto, but it's insulting as fuck to our intelligence. And yet the fun doesn't stop there, folks! I present to you...the centerpiece of this Bytecoin Batshit Insane Circus exhibit...
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Of course! How could we have missed it! The clues were there all along! The CryptoNote/Bytecoin developers are actually aliens! Fuck me on a pogostick, this is the sort of stuff that results in people getting committed to the loony bin.
One last thing: without doing too much language analysis (which is mostly supposition and bullshit), it's easy to see common grammar and spelling fuck ups. My personal favorite is the "Is it true?" question. You can see it in the Bytecoin thread asking if it's Satoshi's second project, in the Monero thread asking if the Monero devs use a botnet to fake demand, and in the Dashcoin thread confirming the donation address (for a coin whose only claim is that they copy Bytecoin perfectly, what the fuck do they need donations for??).

Layer After Layer

One of the things that happened soon after the Bytecoin "big reveal" was a string of forks popping up. The first was Bitmonero on April 18. Fantomcoin was launched May 6. Quazarcoin was launched May 8. HoneyPenny was announced on April 21, although only launched as Boolberry on May 17. duckNote was launched on May 30. MonetaVerde as launched June 17.
Now for some reason unbeknownst to anyone with who isn't a retarded fuckface, the Bytecoin code was pushed up to SourceForge on 08/04/2014 (the "Registered" date is at the bottom of the page). I have no idea why they did this, maybe it's to try and lend credence to their bullshit story (oh hey, look how old Bytecoin is, it's even on Sourceforge!)
Coincidentally, and completely unrelated (hurr durr), Quazarcoin, Fantomcoin, and Monetaverde are all also on Sourceforge. This gives us a frame of reference and a common link between them - it's quite clear that at least these three are run by the same team as CryptoNote. There is further anecdotal evidence that can be gathered by looking at the shill posts in the threads (especially the way the Moneteverda shills praise merge mining, in a way that is nearly fucking indistinguishable from the Bytecoin praise for multi-sig technology).
QuazarCoin is a special case and deserves a little attention. Let's start with OracionSeis, who launched it. He's well known on Bitcointalk for selling in-game currencies. In that same thread you'll notice this gem right at the end from Fullbuster: "Hey,OracionSeis is no longer under my use so please https://bitcointa.lk/threads/selling-most-of-the-game-currencies.301540/#post-5996983 come into this thread! thank you !" Click through to his new link and Fullbuster clarifies: "Hello, I may look new around here but i've sold my first account and created new one and i have an intention to keep the same services running as my first account did." So now that we know that OracionSeis is a fucking bought account, we can look at his actions a little more critically.
On May 7, just when Monero was being taken back by the community (see below), OracionSeis out of the blue decided to take it overelaunch it himself. This included a now-defunct website at monero.co.in, and a since-abandoned Github. The community pushed back hard, true to form, with hard-hitting statements such as "To reiterate, this is not the original devs, and thus not a relaunch. OP, fuck you for trying this. This should warrant a ban." A man after my own heart. OracionSeis caved and decided to rename it to...QuazarCoin, which launched on May 8. To recap: bought account, launched by trying to "relaunch" Monero, got fucked up, renamed it to QuazarCoin. Clearly and undeniably goes in our pile of fuckface coins.
The other three are a little more interesting. Let's start with ~fuckNote~duckNote. It's hard to say if duckNote is a CryptoNote/Bytecoin project. The addition of the HTML based wallet is a one-trick pony, a common thread among most of the CryptoNote/Bytecoin controlled coins, but that could also be the result of a not-entirely-retarded developer. Given the shill posts in the duckNote thread I'm going to flag it as possibly-controlled-by-the-fuckface-brigade.
And now we come to ~HoneyPenny~ ~MoneyPenny~ ~HoneyBerry~ ~Boolean~ Boolberry. This is an interesting one. This was "pre-announced" on April 21, although it was only released with the genesis block on May 17. This puts it fourth in line, after Fantomcoin and Quazarcoin, although fucktarded proponents of the shittily-named currency insist that it was launched on April 21 because of a pre-announcement. Fucking rejects from the Pool of Stupidity, some of them. At any rate, "cryptozoidberg" is the prolific coder that churned out a Keccak-derived PoW (Wild Keccak) in a month, and then proceeded to add completely fucking retarded features like address aliasing that requires you to mine a block to get an address (lulz) and will never cause any issues when "google" or "obama" or "zuckerberg" want their alias back. Namecoin gets around this by forcing you to renew every ~200 - 250 days, and besides, nobody is making payments to microsoft.bit. This aliasing system is another atypical one-trick-pony that the CryptoNote developers push out and claim is monumental and historical and amazing.
There's also the matter of cryptozoidberg's nickname. In the Bytecoin code there's the BYTECOIN_NETWORK identifiert, which according to the comment is "Bender's nightmare" (hurr durr, such funny, 11100111110001011011001210110110 has a 2 in it). Now this may be a little bit of conjecture, yo, but the same comment appears twice in the "epee" contributed library, once in the levin signature, and again in the portable storage signature. The contexts are so disconnected and different that it would be a fucking stretch to imagine that the same person did not write both of these. We can also rule out this being a Bytecoin-specific change, as the "Bender's nightmare" comments exist in the original epee library on githubw (which is completely unused anywhere on the planet except in Bytecoin, most unusual for a library that has any usefulness, and was first committed to github on February 9, 2014).
We know from the copyright that Andrey N. Sabelnikov is the epee author, and we can say with reasonable certainty that he was involved in Bytecoin's creation and is the dev behind Boolberry. Sabelnikov is quite famous - he wrote the Kelihos botnet code and worked at two Russian security firms, Microsoft took him to court for his involvement (accusing him of operating the botnet as well), and then settled with him out of court on the basis of him not running the botnet but just having written the code. Kelihos is a botnet that pumped out online pharmacy spam (you know the fucking annoying "Y-ou Ne3D Vi-4Gra!?" emails? those.) so it's good to see he transitioned from that to a cryptocurrency scam. Regardless of BBR's claim to have "fixed" CryptoNote's privacy (and the fake fight on Bitcointalk between the "Bytecoin devs" and cryptozoidberg), it's clear that the link between them is not transparent. BBR is either the brainchild of a spam botnet author that worked on Bytecoin, or it's the CryptoNote developers trying to have one currency distanced from the rest so that they have a claim for legitimacy. I think it's the second one, and don't want to enter into a fucking debate about it. Make up your own mind.
Which brings us to the oddest story of the bunch: Bitmonero. It's pretty clear, given its early launch date and how unfamiliar anyone was with creating a genesis block or working in completely undocumented code, that thankful_for_today is/was part of the CryptoNote developers. He made a fatal error, though: he thought (just like all the other cryptocurrencies) that being "the dev" made him infallible. Ya know what happened? He tried to force his ideas, the community politely said "fuck you", and Bitmonero was forked into Monero, which is leading the pack of CryptoNote-based coins today. Let me be perfectly fucking clear: it doesn't matter that the Bytecoin/CryptoNote developers know their code and can push stuff out, and it doesn't matter that Sabelnikov can shovel bullshit features into his poorly named cryptocurrency, and it doesn't matter that Monetaverde is "green" and has "merged mining". Nobody working behind these cryptocurrencies is known in the cryptocurrency community, and that alone should be a big fucking red flag. Monero is streets ahead, partly because of the way they're developing the currency, but mostly because the "core devs" or whatever they're called are made up of reasonably well-known people. That there are a bunch of them (6 or 7?) plus a bunch of other people contributing code means that they're sanity checking each other.
And, as we saw, this has fucking infuriated the Bytecoin/CryptoNote developers. They're so angry they waste hours and hours with their Reddit accounts trawling the Monero sub-reddit, for what? Nobody has fallen for their scam, and after my revelation today nobody fucking will. Transparency wins, everything else is bullshit.
As pointed out by canonsburg, when the Bytecoin/CryptoNote people realised they'd lost the fucking game, they took a "scorched earth" approach. If they couldn't have the leading CryptoNote coin...they'd fucking destroy the rest by creating a shit-storm of CryptoNote coins. Not only did they setup a thread with "A complete forking guide to create your own CryptoNote currency", but they even have a dedicated website with a fuckton of JavaScript. Unfortunately this plan hasn't worked for them, because they forgot that nobody gives a fuck, and everyone is going to carry on forking Bitcoin-based coins because of the massive infrastructure and code etc. that works with Bitcoin-based coins.
There are a bunch of other useless CryptoNote coins, by the way: Aeon, Dashcoin, Infinium-8, OneEvilCoin. We saw earlier that Dashcoin is probably another CryptoNote developer driven coin. However, this entire group is not really important enough, nor do they have enough potential, for me to give a single fuck, so make up your own mind. New CryptoNote coins that pop up should be regarded with the utmost caution, given the bullshit capabilities that we've already seen.

All Tied Up in a Bow

I want to cement the relationship between the major CryptoNote shitcoins. I know that my previous section had a lot of conjecture in it, and there's been some insinuation that I'm throwing everyone under the bus because I'm raging against the machine. That's not my style. I'm more of a Katy Perry fan..."you're going to hear me roar". There were some extra links I uncovered during my research, and I lacked the time to add it to this post. Thankfully a little bit of sleep and a can of Monster later have given me the a chance to add this. Let's start with an analysis of the DNS records of the CN coins.
If we look at the whois and DNS records for bytecoin.org, quazarcoin.org, fantomcoin.org, monetaverde.org, cryptonote.org, bytecoiner.org, cryptonotefoundation.org, cryptonotestarter.org, and boolberry.com, we find three common traits, from not-entirely-damming to oh-shiiiiiiit:
  1. There's a lot of commonality with the registrar (NameCheap for almost all of them), the DNS service (HurricaneElectric's Free DNS or NameCheap's DNS), and with the webhost (LibertyVPS, QHosteSecureFastServer.com, etc.)
  2. All of the CN domains use WhoisGuard or similar private registration services.
  3. Every single domain, without exception, uses Zoho for email. The only outlier is bitmonero.org that uses Namecheap's free email forwarding, but it's safe to disregard this as the emails probably just forward to the CryptoNote developers' email.
The instinct may be to disregard this as a fucking convenient coincidence. But it isn't: Zoho used to be a distant second go Google Apps, but has since fallen hopelessly behind. Everyone uses Google Apps or they just use mail forwarding or whatever. With the rest of the points as well, as far-fetched as the link may seem, it's the combination that is unusual and a dead giveaway of the common thread. Just to demonstrate that I'm not "blowing shit out of proportion" I went and checked the records for a handful of coins launched over the past few months to see what they use.
darkcoin.io: mail: Namecheap email forwarding, hosting: Amazon AWS, open registration through NameCheap monero.cc: mail: mail.monero.cc, hosting: behind CloudFlare, open registration through Gandi xc-official.com: mail: Google Apps, hosting: MODX Cloud, hidden registration (DomainsByProxy) through GoDaddy blackcoin.io: mail: Namecheap email forwarding, hosting: behind BlackLotus, open registration through NameCheap bitcoindark.org: mail: no MX records, hosting: Google User Content, open registration through Wix viacoin.org: mail: mx.viacoin.org, hosting: behind CloudFlare, closed registration (ContactPrivacy) through Hostnuke.com neutrinocoin.org: mail: HostGator, hosting: HostGator, open registration through HostGator
There's no common thread between them. Everyone uses different service providers and different platforms. And none of them use Zoho.
My next check was to inspect the web page source code for these sites to find a further link. If you take a look at the main CSS file linked in the source code for monetaverde.org, fantomcoin.org, quazarcoin.org, cryptonotefoundation.org, cryptonote-coin.org, cryptonote.org, bitmonero.org, and bytecoiner.org, we find a CSS reset snippet at the top. It has a comment at the top that says "/* CSS Reset /", and then where it resets/sets the height it has the comment "/ always display scrollbars */". Now, near as I can find, this is a CSS snipped first published by Jake Rocheleau in an article on WebDesignLedger on October 24, 2012 (although confusingly Google seems to think it appeared on plumi.de cnippetz first, but checking archive.org shows that it was only added to that site at the beginning of 2013). It isn't a very popular CSS reset snippet, it got dumped in a couple of gists on Github, and translated and re-published in an article on a Russian website in November, 2012 (let's not go full-blown conspiritard and assume this links "cryptozoidberg" back to this, he's culpable enough on his own).
It's unusual to the point of being fucking impossible for one site to be using this, let alone a whole string of supposedly unrelated sites. Over the past few years the most popular CSS reset scripts have been Eric Meyer's "Reset CSS", HTML5 Doctor CSS Reset, Yahoo! (YUI 3) Reset CSS, Universal Selector ‘’ Reset, and Normalize.css, none of which contain the "/ CSS Reset /" or "/ always display scrollbars */" comments.
You've got to ask yourself a simple question: at what point does the combination of all of these fucking coincidental, completely unusual elements stop being coincidence and start becoming evidence of a real, tenable link? Is it possible that bytecoin.org, quazarcoin.org, fantomcoin.org, monetaverde.org, cryptonote.org, bytecoiner.org, cryptonotefoundation.org, cryptonotestarter.org, and boolberry.com just happen to use similar registrars/DNS providers/web hosts and exactly the fucking same wildly unpopular email provider? And is it also possible that monetaverde.org, fantomcoin.org, quazarcoin.org, cryptonotefoundation.org, cryptonote-coin.org, cryptonote.org, and bytecoin.org just happen to use the same completely unknown, incredibly obscure CSS reset snippet? It's not a conspiracy, it's not a coincidence, it's just another piece of evidence that all of these were spewed out by the same fucking people.

The Conclusion of the Matter

Don't take the last section as any sort of push for Monero. I think it's got potential (certainly much more than the other retarded "anonymous" coins that "developers" are popping out like street children from a cheap ho), and I hold a bit of XMR for shits and giggles, so take that tacit endorsement with a pinch of fucking salt.
The point is this: Bytecoin's 82% premine was definitely the result of a faked blockchain. CryptoNote's whitepaper dates were purposely falsified to back up this bullshit claim. Both Bytecoin and CryptoNote have perpetuated this scam by making up fake website data and all sorts. They further perpetuate it using shill accounts, most notably "DStrange" and "Rias" among others.
They launched a series of cryptocurrencies that should be avoided at all cost: Fantomcoin, Quazarcoin, and Monetaverde. They are likely behind duckNote and Boolberry, but fuck it, it's on your head if you want to deal with scam artists and botnet creators.
They developed amazing technology, and had a pretty decent implementation. They fucked themselves over by being fucking greedy, being utterly retarded, being batshit insane, and trying to create legitimacy where there was none. They lost the minute the community took Monero away from them, and no amount of damage control will save them from their own stupidity.
I expect there to be a fuck-ton of shills posting in this thread (and possibly a few genuine supporters who don't know any better). If you want to discuss or clarify something, cool, let's do that. If you want to have a protracted debate about my conjecture, then fuck off, it's called conjecture for a reason you ignoramus. I don't really give a flying fuck if I got it right or wrong, you're old and ugly enough to make up your own mind.
tl;dr - CryptoNote developers faked dates in whitepapers. Bytecoin faked dates in fake blockchain to facilitate an 82% premine, and CryptoNote backed them up. Bytecoin, Fantomcoin, Quazarcoin, Monetaverde, Dashcoin are all from the same people and should be avoided like the fucking black plague. duckNote and Boolberry are probably from them as well, or are at least just fucking dodgy, and who the fuck cares anyway. Monero would have been fucking dodgy, but the community saved it. Make your own mind up about shit and demand that known people are involved and that there is fucking transparency. End transmission.
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Welcome to Zcoin

Hi All, and welcome to the subreddit for Zcoin!
History Zcoin is the first fully functional implementation of Zerocoin, a cryptocurrency that was first proposed by Matthew D. Green, a professor at the Johns Hopkins University, along with two graduate students - Ian Miers and Christina Garman. It was initially conceived as an extension to the Bitcoin protocol that would add true cryptographic anonymity to Bitcoin transactions. The testnet software was publicly released on December 19, 2015, with the name, Moneta, before being changed to Zcoin for its official release on September 28, 2016, by Poramin Insom who was also the founder of Vertcoin.
Features Zcoin is a proof-of-work cryptocurrency that uses the same mining method and halving cycle as Bitcoin (4 years) but a different hashing algorithm - Lyra2z. They are moving towards implementing MTP (Merkle Tree Proofs) which is designed to be as ASIC proof as possible without sacrificing performance and unlike other ASIC resistant algorithms, also discourage botnets through the high use of memory. This is in line with Zcoin’s aims to have its security decentralized and transactions censorship resistant.
What is the distribution for Zcoin? There will be 21 million Zcoins. Zcoin follows the same halving cycle as Bitcoin (every 4 years). 10% of the total Zcoin supply will be distributed to the Founders Reward as time passes. In the first 4 years, 20% of Zcoins will be distributed to the Founders Reward. In other words, during the first 4 years, 40 Zcoins will go to the miners and 10 Zcoins will go towards the Founders reward. After the first 4 years, the block reward goes completely towards the miners.
What will Zcoin's Founders Reward be used for? The Founders Reward will be given to early investors, developers, and Zcoin community members. We also have bounties for various tasks, such as Zcoin core development, web development, graphic design, marketing, ect. If you'd like to help out, please email or message us on Slack.
Is Zcoin a fork of Zcash? What are the primary differences? Zcoin is not a fork of Zcash in anyway. First of all Zerocoin is the tech, Zcoin is the coin, similarly to how Zerocash is the tech and, Zcash the coin.
Zcoin uses Zerocoin technology from the Zerocoin paper. This is a very well peer reviewed paper with over 200 citations.
Zcash instead uses the Zerocash paper.
Although Zerocash is a development from Zerocoin meant to address certain perceived shortcomings of Zerocoin, they are not simple forks of each other and rely on different protocols.
Zerocash was meant to improve on Zerocoin on these issues:
a) Zerocash's proofs are much more smaller than Zerocoin's b) Zerocoin uses fixed denominations to mint (1, 25, 50, 100) while Zerocash is not subject to such limitations c) Greater anonymity with Zerocash since sendereceiveamount are all obscured.
However Zerocoin's advantage over Zerocash are as follows: a) Although Zerocoin's proofs are larger and occupies more storage space, the computational requirements to generate a private transaction are many times faster. Zcash requires large amounts of RAM and minutes of computational time. Zerocoin requires seconds to use and is not memory intensive. Basically Zerocoin uses more storage space but is computationally much less intensive. b) Parameter generation for both Zcoin and Zcash requires a trusted setup but Zcoin's parameters are arguably less controversial. (https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/wiki/Parameters-in-set-up-phase-for-Zerocoin-in-ZCoin). A zero trust parameter setup is also within our roadmap. c) Most importantly is that in Zcoin, total supply is still visible so if there's a flaw and someone is secretly creating coins for themselves, this can be much more easily detected. With Zcash, if a flaw is exploited, it may be almost impossible to detect as someone can mint coins for themselves without being detected. d) Zerocoin's tech is much more reviewed and better understood than Zcash's. Zcash's use of zero knowledge proofs uses ZK-Snarks is much more experimental and only a handful of people understand it.
Here at Zcoin, we believe that multiple zero-knowledge cryptocurrency implementations is a blessing to society. Like Zcoin, Zcash is also enabling individual freedom and open commerce to the world by increasing financial privacy. We applaud the work that the Zcash team is doing. With that in mind, it is important to understand the inherent tradeoffs between the Zerocoin and Zerocash protocols. Zcoin has some major advantages over Zcash, as well as significant disadvantages. By increasing awareness of these tradeoffs, privacy-centric users can more effectively use either coin tailored to their concerns and specific use cases.
Getting the Wallet https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/releases https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/wiki/Installation
How to Mine https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/wiki/Pool-Mining-Guide
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MinerGate

Are you interested in mining currencies and like a nice clean interface? Don't really understand how to operate some of the mining configurations available? MinerGate is the solution for you!
MinerGate is a clean, simple, easy to use program that allows you to join a mining pool without having to setup anything other your account and installing the easy to use program.
They support multiple cryptocoins such as Ethereum , Ethereum Classic, ZCash, Monero, Bitcoin, Litecoin, Bytecoin, FantomCoin, QuazarCoin, DigitalNote, MonetaVerde, Dashcoin, Aeoncoin, and Infinium-8.
Don't have a PC? No problem! MinerGate also offers an easy to use app that allows you to mine on the go! They do have minimum payment requirements that vary by coin but they are easily obtainable with time.
They also offer a referral program that pays you up to 75% of what your referrals mine!
Ready to get started? Sign up at https://minergate.com/a/bfff2a11f5371091205a4d7f
Happy mining!
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INQUINAMENTO=BITCOIN? SILENZIO, LA SOLUZIONE CE L’HA GRAM COHEN

C’è chi si sforza di denigrane la nuova moneta virtuale a tutti i costi, sostenendo che generare Bitcoin faccia dispendio energetico, a danno dell’ambiente. In realtà, tale affermazione è vera, poichè secondo le stime, si dice che il mining richieda più energia di quella che basta a illuminare un’intera nazione come l’Ecuador. Ma da oggi, la situazione si potrebbe capovolgere, poiché Cohen, l’ideatore di BitTorren, vorrebbe creare un tipo di bitcoin ecosostenibile, che non sfrutti il proof-of-work (meccanismo per verificare le transazioni), che è quello che richiede maggior dispendio di energia. Per verificare il blockchain (che raccoglie tutte le transazioni) poi, Cohen ha pensato di utilizzare lo spazio di archiviazione inutilizzato (più economico) su hard disk. In questo modo, si avrebbe più risparmio energetico, a salvaguardia dell’ambiente. La Dyneros LTD dispone di server con energia alternativa che sfrutta il fotovoltaico.
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SWISSCOIN THE BIGGEST SCAM Bitcoin was the the first cryptocurrency, and the initial invention. Since then, numerous cryptocurrencies have been created, These are frequently called altcoins ( bitcoin alternative). But only 3 cryptocurrencies have made to the top:
Bitcoin Ethereum litecoin
Now there is a new cryptocurrency in the market and it’s called SWISSCOIN,created by a company from Switzerland with several partners from Germany. why Swisscoin is a bitcoin alternative and why you should invest in it, read this review and you will know.
SWISSCOIN CREATION AND START-UP EVENTS:
The company is based in Canton Zug, which is the new digital financial center of the cryptovalley in Switzerland and it’s surrounded by companies such as Fintech, thought leaders as BitCoin, Ethereum, Monetas, Block Chain Source, Swiss mining and many other innovative companies in the field of cryptocurrencies. The reasons that the company headquarters is based in Switzerland is on one hand, the well-known location advantages and the supportive environment in computer science, as well as the long tradition of privacy, as cryptocurrencies are treated as foreign currencies in Switzerland.
Swisscoin start on the 4th of june 2016, and the official presentation was in Frankfurt July37-1467724637-swisscoineventfrankfurt2-06-2016-17 2, 2016, more than 150 partners from different countries attended the event.The entire management team of SwissCoin came to the meeting to elaborate on the project. and the head of the project Werner Marquetant appeared on the stage with a welcome speech.
in just 2 months over 300 thousand people have been registered and it was just the preswisscoin_event_frankfurt_2-06-2016-18launch period . And all partners who achieved great result in this period received a commemorative SwissCoin diplomas and badges, and they were awarded with not only valuable gifts, but also with some cash bonuses, such as bank checks.
An other event took place in Italy september,10th 2016 introducing swisscoin to the market, and the great opportunities that holds , also showing their plans and expectations for years to come.event-italia
it doesn’t stop here, many events will come introducing swisscoin to the world as the new bitcoin alternative holding enormous opportunities for all of us. And the witness for that is the NEXT EVENT programmed on February, 4th 2017 in Dubai.
SWISSCOIN CONCEPT :
Swisscoin is a secure and real cryptocurrency , with one goal is to make it a real payment in all online shops around the globe, and for now they have 200 M swisscoins for FREE meanning if you sign up NOW you will have 100 coins in your account for free, it’s a limited offer that you will regret if you missed it.
profit in swisscoin stays with members in the system , company doesn’t take much because it should be the peoplecoin that’s why there are free coins for new members, swisscoin is limited to 10 billions no more no less. Soon they will have a MasterCard accepted in 211 countries all over the world , transactions can be executed in a matter of seconds worldwide and it’s simple and secure . Swisscoin is a new crypto currency based on the principle of block chain of Bitcoin.
Now you have the chance to join swisscoin from the START and build a bright future and a solid investment as we missed it in Bitecoin , don’t let this chance slip away you should take it while the timing is good .
CONCLUSION :
To summ up this was a brief presentation of Swisscoin and it’s company and to know what you are dealing with ann to clarify and prove that Swisscoin is not a SCAM as some individuals proclaim , It’s a real OPPORTUNITY for all of us.
Swisscoin value was 0.03€ in june,2016 and now it reached 0.08€, it will continue to climb as expected, specially when the trading will be lunched in February,2017.don’t miss your chance to be part of this opportunity and sign up https://swisscoin.eu/acelam Now . Hope you like it
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c'mon guys , help us to promote Fedoracoin , in your language .

Create a post with all the important information and share everywhere.
Can you see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=463505.0
Like this (Italian version) (latest version):
Salve a tutti ,pochissimi di voi conosceranno questa cryptomoneta. Vorrei aggiornarvi elencando il potenziale e la community dietro a questo progetto. Informazioni dettagliate le trovate nel thread madre: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=391192.0 I TIPS sono forse la crypto con più pezzi, 500 miliardi (5 volte i Dogecoin, prima della modifica inflazionistica ) , fattore che reputo determinante sotto il profilo psicologico , ad oggi si scambiano frazioni di bitcoin e litecoin ...si possono considerare realmente moneta da usare in futuro in frazioni decimali? Ora è solo speculazione ,come tutte del resto. Di recente è stato implementato l'algoritmo KGW (Kimoto Gravity Well) , solo alcune monete lo hanno , ed è fondamentale per la stabilizzazione del net Hashrate. Attualmente è ancora molto profittevole , l'attuale difficoltà oscilla tra 15 e 20. La community è molto valida , potete seguirla,partecipando all' IRC channel dedicato.
https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#team-tips
Si differenzia dalla massa per tre punti cardine : il concetto di tipping, il sistema di pagamento ,date un'occhiata qui : https://pay.withfedoraco.in/ e soprattutto ,attualmente in fase beta ,sta per essere rilasciata e funzionante con il prossimo update del Wallet , (una killer feature la chiamerebbero gli inglesi) in esclusiva assoluta e temporale per qualsiasi cryptomoneta, un sistema di trasferimento , [u]non tracciabile [/u] ,definito " mixing node" . Potrebbe attirare l'interesse di molti , di certo questo moneta ha futuro roseo. Tra 3 settimane si dimezzerà il reward e oltretutto manca la possibilità di scambiarla in BTC, quindi grossi capitali non ancora pervenuti (petizione su cryptsy : https://cryptsy.freshdesk.com/support/discussions/topics/76655/page/2 ) Ora capitalizza 1 milione di dollari , ma in tre settimane c'è stato un accumulo e distribuzione di quasi 6 milioni :
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CLAMS: The Clamming For Pearls Lottery

Proof-Of-Pearl Block Rewards
In simple terms:
CLAMS now has more in common with a lottery(Proof-Of-Pearl), than an interest bearing bank account(Proof-Of-Stake).
A Short Video (Aimed at the less technically inclined):
CLAMS Lottery
More Details:
Proof-Of-Stake, as commonly implemented, has three primary user-facing facets concerning the staking of blocks. * The amount of blocks to be staked per period is limited. * Who gets to stake those blocks on the network? * What is the reward for finding those blocks?
Given that the amount of blocks per period is limited, in a mature network not everyone (much like Bitcoin mining today) has the opportunity to consistently stake blocks. It gets worse. Not only can not everyone compete, but indeed even if they were to stake a block the reward for doing so would be less as a function of block rewards being derived from the size of the output they staked with. This would be like mining Bitcoin with a USB Block Eruptor, getting lucky and staking a block, and then being told that your block is worth LESS than the block the gentleman next to you found because he was using an A.S.I.C. This example isn't perfect, but it captures a primary problem with Proof-Of-Stake: If you have a large pile of coins you will stake larger proof of stake piles. These larger piles then can also stake additional piles. It would be like A.S.I.C.'s giving birth to baby A.S.I.C.'s on the network. This doesn't allow new-comers to compete; it doesn't allow the less fortunate to compete; and it doesn't capture the essence of what CLAMS was intended to represent. {Caritas, Libertas, AEQUITAS, Monetas}
So, what does Proof-Of-Pearl change? It is quite simple, actually. We still allow individual users to shuffle their outputs and stake blocks based on the age and size of their piles of CLAMS(outputs). Users compete FOR blocks in the same way as conventional Proof-Of-Stake, through coin age and coin pile size. However, the reward for finding a block is no longer based on those metrics. Instead, we have implemented a psuedo-random deterministic exponential function that returns rewards in a miner agnostic way, much like Proof-Of-Work.
Technical Details:
Block Reward: Up to 1,000 CLAMS per lottery block. Yearly Inflation: Remains a static 1-2%, based on total money supply. Block Competition: Remains based on Age * Output Size.
LINKS:
CLAM Lottery Video CLAM Informational Website CLAMS Announcement Post
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AMA with Tezos on ARK slack

boldninja
All welcome @breitwoman (Kathleen) and @rawzeee (Ross) from Tezos.com - today they will answer any of your questions regarding their upcoming project
breitwoman By way of introduction, I am Kathleen Breitman, the CEO of the company which created Tezos. I am tag teaming this with @rawzeee, who works for the Swiss Foundation which will be responsible for running the crowdsale later this month. Ross will handle crowdsale-specific questions.
rawzeee Hello! Greetings from Zug!
jamiec79 :wave:
breitwoman Very jealous of Ross right now, Zug is gorgeous
techbytes Welcome.
rawzeee I saw a man playing an alphorn in front of UBS today. Most Swiss thing I could've imagined possible.
arkvader Greetings from far far away....
tranzer Hi Tezos! I have 1st question, by the looks of it Tezos will be in OCaml right? Why did you decide on OCaml? Are there any advantages over other languages?
mike Hi Kathleen and Ross, good to see you.
moobox hello Tezos people
breitwoman @tranzer great question. we wrote the protocol in OCaml. It was a confluence of a few things... Pragmatically, we found a great team with an emphasis on OCaml based in France and Arthur (CTO) is a French national so it was possible to work with them pretty seamlessly. On the technical side, OCaml is a great PL for writing code that can later be formally verified. Security and consistency of execution are two principles we tried to optimize for and OCaml lends itself well to those goals. See also section 1.4: https://tezos.com/static/papers/position_paper.pdf (edited)
dr10 hello tezos
breitwoman howdy all!
dr10 How would you shortly & easy-to-understand sum-up the advantages of TEZOS to magazines and non-crypto people?
tranzer What consensus system will you use? Like PoS or some hybrid? Will there be any rewards for signing blocks?
breitwoman My TL;DR runs on two talking points -- Tezos is a new blockchain that aims to create a robust governance model by allowing token-holders to come to consensus on protocol upgrades but also preserve rules over time by using mathematical proofs. Unlike previous blockchains, it can deploy upgrades to the network in an elegant and seamless way.
@tranzer we have our own POS algo. We have nominal inflation in the protocol to incentivize participation.
dr10 So in easy words, Tezos is built to easily adapt to any technic innovations?
breitwoman @dr10 yes, it was borne out of the first alt coin craze when everyone deployed a new token to instantiate even the most marginal improvement
dr10 okay
breitwoman Tezos wants to preserve network effects while keeping pace with innovation
dr10 Your whitepaper has very tech-heavy language. So I'd like to ask questions that are stupid and simple. :smile: What are the three crypto-currencies that are most similar to yours and yet why is Tezos different?
breitwoman Yeah, the position paper is more accessible
dr10 yeah i've read them all
breitwoman 1. Decred. Though they don't push automatic upgrades and they can't introspect on the protocol. 2. Dash. Though they also don't push automatic upgrades, can't introspect, and I think their funding model is a little backwards. 3. Ethereum has a lot of similar technical goals but no formal, on-chain governance model. We made our protocol with a bigger emphasis on formal verification and security.
someonesomeone Hi guys!
dr10 thank you! and hi someone :smile:
In your position paper you state "Tezos truly aims to be the last cryptocurrency." No matter what innovations other protocols produce, it will be possible for Tezos stakeholders to adopt these innovations" - Can Tezos implement any future innovations within its code? Wether its a new programming code, artificial intelligence or implementing big data of anything?
i wondered about that
i am a no-coder so I dont grasp everything
tranzer How much do you aim to raise in your ICO will there be any minimum or maximum? Will it be normal proportional auction or fixed price per token?
breitwoman @dr10 obviously limitations to anything that a blockchain can do... it can't solve poverty or hunger, but we made the code with a very modular design that allows for a lot of flexibility
someonesomeone @breitwoman do you plan on doing a smartbridge with Ark? Or any other partnerships with them? :wink:
dr10 yeah but I am wondering about future innovations like artificial intelligence, if that can somehow be implemented.
breitwoman @smartbridge good question. I like Ark but I'm not familiar enough with what they're up to... open to all sorts of things though!
dr10 My theory is that these future innovations will be interconnected by cryptocurrency
breitwoman @dr10 So, our CTO is a bona fide expert in AI and he doesn't think there are a lot of synergies with AI and blockchains
dr10 What is block target time? What is transaction speed? How many confirmations are needed? Couldnt see that / find that... maybe I oversaw :smile:
breitwoman but we'll keep our eyes peeled
dr10 okay
someonesomeone @breitwoman cool. Ark is doing a great job from what I can gather and I am pretty sure that I will also invest into your ICO, since your project also looks very interesting
breitwoman @dr10 I think that's all referenced in the white paper, which was recently updated!
soporificprose Can you answer Tanzer... I have same questions.
breitwoman That's a good question for @rawzeee
dr10 okay, maybe I oversaw. I have read them all. no problem
In your Whitepaper you state "Bitcoin, Ethereum, Cryptonote, etc. can all be represented within Tezos by implementing the proper interface to the network layer." Does this mean you try to interconnect all those cryptocurrencies? (edited)
breitwoman @dr10 we're targeting 1 minute between blocks. We haven't set a blocksize yet, but we'll her on the side of caution at first. It's better to raise the blocksize through the amendment mechanism once we are confident in the network's throughput.
jakethepanda Will users be able to issue asset tokens and build on top of Tezos?
breitwoman @dr10 no, that's more like Cosmos... a different but cool project
dr10 ark is doing that too
:smile:
rawzeee There is no minimum or maximum, though if only a few million were raised stakeholders would be asked whether or not they wanted to offer another TGE (Token Generation Event) to newcomers. Fixed price of 1 BTC to 5000 XTZ (tezzies), plus a descending bonus from 20% to 0% in 5% intervals every 400 BTC blocks. The entire TGE lasts 2000 BTC blocks. tranzer How much do you aim to raise in your ICO will there be any minimum or maximum? Will it be normal proportional auction or fixed price per token? Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 7:12 PM
dr10 I didnt find on that one, or didnt look too deep. What are the references of you and your team members? On what projects did you work before?
breitwoman @jakethepanda yes, they will but we think it's a better idea to propose those features that you'd find in an appcoin as a first class citizen
rawzeee Yes, was typing the answer up! It's posted now. soporificprose Can you answer Tanzer... I have same questions. Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 7:15 PM
breitwoman @dr10 I'm a pretty open book... I've worked in finance at a hedge fund and a VC, then in consulting... Arthur worked in high frequency trading for many years at places like Goldman and Morgan. Our developers are very academic
dachshund what type of role/influence do your initial investors (polychain, etc) have in the overall governance of the network, if any
dr10 What is the Payment for ICO? Paying in ETH or BTC or any other and how much will one Token cost?
breitwoman Technically, none. We sold a nominal amount of tokens to a large group of people. They have the same status as any other participant but got a slight discount over the crowdsale price for tying up their capital for several months.
techbytes that include Tim Draper?
breitwoman I solicit their advice a lot though... it's a really savvy bunch and I was a one-woman band on the operational side.
raolin Hey Kathleen - has your team given anymore thought to the post ICO mission? Roadmap? Additional team expansion?
soporificprose Are they restricted from selling for a certain length of time?
breitwoman no
@raolin check out our outline at the end of our presentation https://www.tezos.com/static/papers/Tezos_Overview.pdf
tranzer How much was sold to those pre-ico funders?
breitwoman All in here guys: https://www.tezos.com/static/papers/Tezos_Overview.pdf 612k at an avg 31% discount
rawzeee I listed the BTC ratio above. It's 1 BTC for 5000 XTZ (tezzies) plus a bonus or lack thereof based upon time periods. If you choose to use fiat Bitcoin Suisse AG who is administering the TGE (check their rates and your jurisdiction) they will peg it to BTC. Ether is pegged to BTC and will be accepted at the median (from Poloniex, Kraken, and GDAX) of the last three trade prices utilizing the ETH/BTC pair before the timestamp of the Ethereum block at the time of contribution. It’ll be offered on a best-effort basis and for convenience. If you want certainty contribute with Bitcoin. Otherwise you accept the risk that the exchange rate you'll get may not be precisely what you see on the screen at the moment of your contribution. You may also use other coins via ShapeShift. (edited)
dr10 you will hit poloniex, kraken and gdax?
when?
rawzeee That is referring to the peg of ETH to BTC.
all XTZ are pegged to the BTC price for the TGE.
dr10 ah ok
rawzeee I'm an acronym storm over here!
dr10 Is there already some plan or future business relationship with merchants, exchanges or anything that Tezos could be used as a payment method? Anything you want to share already?
dachshund What were your considerations when deciding to make the ICO un-capped? Any concerns regarding the impact there could be on the price once this starts trading (i.e. no price discovery)
breitwoman @dr10 we've been talking to two exchanges for several months. I'm pretty confident Tezos won't have trouble on that front. I have two partnerships in the works that I'm excited about but shouldn't discuss yet.
soporificprose Curious whether pre-ICO investors paid with BTC or fiat?
breitwoman @dachshund it's primarily about fairness and distribution.
ryano Are you familiar with BOScoin? They once were also using ocaml not sure if they stuck with that. Any comments on the benefits relative to each other
breitwoman @soporificprose fiat
dr10 Can everyone that holds a Tezos token vote on a proposal? Do they have to pay or temporaily lock in the Tokens? How does it work? It sounds like everyone can vote directly, right?
ryano Also i thought Tezos was using delegate proof of stake is this no longer or never was the case ?
breitwoman @ryano that's news to me. I have not gotten a straight answer from them on any technical questions
rawzeee The reasoning for the uncapped TGE here is that the platform is almost entirely done (not an ICO for a white paper) and it is desired that a robust network is built rather than a few fast fingers buying up the entire TGE in minutes or hours. This is particularly important given how governance will work on Tezos.
breitwoman @ryano we are using delegated proof of stake, @dr10 that means you can delegate your responsibilities to someone else if you don't want to be an active participant
dr10 I see
What is the Prediction Market about that you want to implement regarding "Futarchy"? I didnt get that right away
mike Tezos form of DPoS looks very similar to proxy voting, like Liquid Democracy.
breitwoman @mike yes, it is
good catch
soporificprose So their 30% discount was based on the price of BTC at that point? That would make it a much bigger actual discount yo current BTC to 5,000 TZE
breitwoman @soporificprose pardon? no, it was all denominated in dollars
the sale is denominated in BTC
mike I want to add that to Ark at some point as well.
dr10 What is the practical advantage to decentralized, atomated upgrades - compared to lets say Litecoin's Segwit Process?
breitwoman @dr10 yeah I'd read this piece from Robin Hanson first http://mason.gmu.edu/~rhanson/futarchy.html ... but basically you'd run a predicition market with a prompt like "What do you think would be the best feature for Tezos" with many choices and whatever gets the popular vote would be implemented.
dr10 And this predicting/voting will happen inside the wallet?
mike ryano has some very interesting ideas on ranked voting. Have you looked into ways to combine ranked with proxy voting?
breitwoman @dr10 we think defaults matter. upgrading protocols is cumbersome in existing blockchain implementations and it causes stasis
tranzer Is wallet and whole network already developed (since you said platform is ready) ?
sibars @rawzeee Sorry newbie question: Can you please explain in details how the TGE will work on day one?... I download the wallet fist, send you my BTC and then you send me the Tezzies?
breitwoman @mike not closely. we think our first implementation, a straight vanilla two phased vote, is too simplistic. I'd like to discuss more sophisticated mechanisms if you've thought them through!
I know Arthur loves him some futarchy but I'm not as big of a fan
mike that would be a great discussion, look forward to exploring voting systems with you. we plan to try them on bridged chains which can be run as experiments.
breitwoman @mike that's awesome
dr10 xD
Tezos focusses also on faster smart contracts as I understood, right?
breitwoman @dr10 more secure, not necessarily faster
dr10 okay
breitwoman our smart contract language, Michelson, was created with formal verification in mind
mike That named after the Michelson of Michelson-Morley Interferometer? (edited)
dr10 And it uses ZeroCash as privacy mechanism? Or the whitepaper only compared to it and you use something different? I couldnt identify that
breitwoman @mike you got it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_A._Michelson Wikipedia Albert A. Michelson Albert Abraham Michelson (surname pronunciation anglicized as "Michael-son", December 19, 1852 – May 9, 1931) was an American physicist known for his work on the measurement of the speed of light and especially for the Michelson–Morley experiment. In 1907 he received the Nobel Prize in Physics. He became the first American to receive the Nobel Prize in sciences. (177kB)
dachshund is there something similar to "gas" in tezos that controls for computation of each program, or how do you get around that?
rawzeee @sibars No worries at all. There is a dedicated TGE site (register for updates at www.tezos.com). It'll guide you through the process. You'll generate a paper wallet (easy click through) with seed words. You can save it to a drive and/or print it (probably most secure). You'll verify your wallet number and password you created to generate it, then make your purchase to your wallet #. You can then verify it and make sure it's reflected in the wallet. It'll be simple and easy with a nice interface.
breitwoman @dr10 not yet but Zooko is an advisor and we have spoken about integration. we are more interested in STARKs, the next gen of zero-knowledge
dr10 I see
breitwoman @dachshund yes, we have the concept of gas as well
dr10 I guess you already answered that:
In your Whitepaper you say: Crypto-currencies suffer from the same fate as smartphones which are incompatible with one another; they derive their value from a network effect, or the number of users who have given it value. - ARK will connect all Crypto-currencies by SMARTBRIDGING. Can you imagine working with ARK Smartbridge in your protocol aswell?
yeah you did :smile:
sibars @rawzeee Thanks :)
dr10 More secure Smart Contracts, automatic upgrades in a DPoS model. Any other main focusses or any other attributes you want to innovate or improve compared to other cryptos?
tranzer So will Tezos offer assets on their blockchain like ethereum?
breitwoman @dr10 well, I think that covers the main talking
@tranzer we can, but we think it's more powerful to integrate at the protocol level
dachshund how has traction been within the developer community? I imagine there isn't a limitless pool of developers with the required technical expertise, so you must be expecting to take away from other networks?
mike This is a good overview as well, for those who haven't seen it, https://tezos.com/static/papers/Tezos_Overview.pdf (edited)
geops This all sounds great. The only thing that bothers me is the 1min block time. That seems like a step back compared to modern blockchains. Any goals to improve that?
breitwoman @dachshund we have a very powerful core team. we think our choice of programming language was a good magnet and filter effects. we haven't sourced from other blockchain communities
@geops yeah, that's all pretty flexible
tranzer What is your budgeting plan if you get like 20m how long will that be for? 5 years? More?
geops If you look at integrating with ARK smartbridge tech, you'll sure get lots of investors from here :slightly_smiling_face:
breitwoman @tranzer we go over this a bit in our recent presentation: https://tezos.com/static/papers/Tezos_Overview.pdf
check out the second to last page
tranzer Yeah I'd like to see that as well geops, @fixcrypt is amazing developer from what I have seen so far
breitwoman @geops yeah, totally something we should explore. we're a small team so any partnerships or serious integration have been tabled for later
But I like the idea of ARK and I like what I've seen... so very open to this!
tranzer Must say I like what I'm hearing here will definately invest a few btc
dr10 yes me too
geops definitely good ideas
breitwoman Cool, glad to hear it!
dr10 I think the future of blockchains will be in partnerships too
tranzer dr10 I think so as well that is why I invested in ARK in first place too much competiting and too little cooperation (in other projects) (edited)
rawzeee Hooray! Happy y'all may participate in the TGE.
geops maybe you guys should sit down with @mike and @fixcrypt and discuss possible future collaborations. (edited)
mike Yes, I like the vision laid out by Andreas Antonopolis of many thousands or more of specialized tokens and chains for different applications.
tranzer OK so last question from me that 20% bonus will be for entire 400 first BTC blocks when you start?
jacob breitwoman: Quadratic voting might work for Tezos (http://ericposner.com/quadratic-voting/) ERIC POSNER Quadratic voting Glen Weyl has uploaded a new version of his paper, Quadratic Voting (written with Steven Lalley), to SSRN, which now includes the completed proofs. Quadratic voting is the most important idea for l… Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:57 PM
breitwoman good question for @rawzeee
rawzeee @tranzer yes, indeed!
breitwoman @jacob yes, that's something we've considered
mike Glad to see you have Johann Gevers on board, is he active with the foundation?
breitwoman we didn't want to be prescriptive with v1, so we made it very easy to understand
rawzeee So there is about two days to get that bonus. Then 15% for the same period and so on.
breitwoman @mike yes, he's the director. and he's awesome. total mensch and very philosophically committed to our project
rawzeee I actually had a meeting with Johann today in Zug.
mike Really like Monetas, glad to see there doing well, and the creation of the Zug crypto environment is fantastic.
breitwoman @mike we went through a lot of ups and downs while developing Tezos. basically nobody cared about us for a while, until the DAO basically. Johann always encouraged us to keep going.
yeah, the crypto valley is a brilliant concept
rawzeee It's pretty magical.
tranzer You living there?
breitwoman @tranzer I'm US-based
rawzeee I'm just here for awhile. Also US-based.
nikandro Hi all, sorry if this has already been discussed, but have you spoken with any exchanges about adding Tezos?
breitwoman @nikandro yes, but it's a pretty convoluted process
one nice thing about tezos is that exchanges can act as delegates, which creates great incentives
nikandro Do you expect to have any clarity on that prior to the ICO?
tranzer How can exchanges act as delegates?
breitwoman not sufficient to make an announcement but it's really not something I worry about
techbytes really. Than perhaps Poloniex will add tezos. :slightly_smiling_face:
breitwoman @tranzer you can assign your validation to an exchange's address
nikandro While im interested in developing more than anything, I also understand that trading is a good tool for price discovery, which is critical.
ryano You shouldn't have any trouble getting on an exchange and would be a low priority area to spend your energy while in development
breitwoman they have to volunteer of course @nikandro of course, completely agree. Arthur was a market maker on Wall Street for 10 years
he thinks about this... a lot
@ryano that's what I've heard but people like to be assured that the token will have a marketplace, which is reasonable
It does take a lot of energy and I've been lagging on that front
Security and legal concerns were priority #1, we can iterate and grow the team pretty rapidly after the sale
Having the Foundation build out and assume responsibilities for promoting the protocol will be much better than my one woman band :slightly_smiling_face:
mike I'd expect Bittrex no problem.
jakethepanda First alt-coin you bought?
mike mastercoin
nikandro Sorry to push the matter, but does this mean there will be no marketplace for Tezos after the ICO?
breitwoman @nikandro apparently there will be a futures market running
mike they can't announce if they did - exchanges have NDAs disallowing coins from announcing, leaving it up to the exchanges.
djselery lol, even if they had an exchange lined up right now they probly couldnt talk about it
nikandro @djselery , right, and I'm not asking for specifics, just wondering if implementation is in the pipeline.
breitwoman @nikandro it is
insofar as we have had many conversations/back and forth and its been very positive
I can't say much else other than it's a cumbersome process
nikandro Okay, thanks @breitwoman
jakethepanda I'm sure Tezos will be on an exchange. I don't think that's even an issue.
nikandro @jakethepanda I agree, I was just inquiring about the timeline and I think @breitwoman cleared that up. Many thanks.
jakethepanda @breitwoman Pizza or Sushi?
breitwoman @jakethepanda that's relative to location. In NY, I prefer pizza. Everywhere else, sushi :slightly_smiling_face:
rawzeee ^ good answer.
jakethepanda Tesla or Mercedes?
mward So @breitwoman 5000 TEZOS = 1 btc?
and 20% discount for firat 400 btc raised
dachshund will you be growing the team in NY, is mostly based in europe?
nikandro For sure! In brooklyn, I do the dollar slice ride. Bike around to each vendor that sells dollar slices. yay, pizza!
breitwoman To drive? Mercedes. Tesla's still don't have the handle I like :slightly_smiling_face:
@dachshund they're based in Europe, primarily but I don't have any plans to leave the US
sibars by the way, who designed the Tezos logo?
rawzeee @mward no. 400 is the BTC blocks mined for the first bonus period; it's a time thing. But the ratio you've cited is correct. And then the bonus rate decreases by 5% every 400 blocks until 2000 BTC blocks are mined. (edited)
breitwoman It's a character we found by looking through some libraries. I think it's a TZ symbol from a language that uses that combination often
mward @rawzeee when will it start?
rawzeee Though not a discount. It's a bonus.
May 22nd at 6am UTC.
mward thank you
breitwoman Hey guys, I have to hop on a call in a little. 2 more questions and I'll have to wrap this up!
moobox I don't have a question but i wish your group bon chance or however the French say .
tranzer So little women in here stay a little longer :sob:
ryano Thanks for hanging out and answering questions!
jakethepanda Thanks @breitwoman
http://slack.tezos.com/
breitwoman @moobox vielen dank
@tranzer haha, I'll be back!
moobox salutes like Benny Hill
rawzeee The subreddit is where a lot of discussion happens too: https://reddit.com/tezos reddit tezos.com • tezos reddit: the front page of the internet
techbytes Great AMA session. Thanks for stopping by and answering all the questions. Good luck on the project and I look forward to investing.
breitwoman @ryano thanks for having me! and the very cordial convo
boldninja @breitwoman thank you for taking the time for this AMA - I was just lurking, but all what I would ask was answered. I wish you all the best with ICO and I hope ARK and Tezos cooperate in the future.
breitwoman Thanks guys! Yeah, feel free to bolster our Reddit
mward Aurrevoir!
dr10 thank you very much :smile:
rawzeee Yes, thanks much everyone! So long!
breitwoman @boldninja great to hear it!
@dr10 thanks for the solid qs, really appreciate it
dr10 np :smile:
mike Thanks for stopping by, both of you, and taking the time to chat with us.
look forward to participating in Tezos.
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